Can we create Gravity?

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RockerHi all Engineers!

I have a question for those interested in Physics. Can we have artifical Gravity? Meaning, can we create gravity under test conditions?

With best regards,
ROCKER

Of course. There exist a force of attraction between any two masses. This force is called as Gravitational force.

Correct me if I am wrong.

-The Big K-
p.s: Probably this could lead to a discussion on "Can we create zero gravity area on earth?"

is all forces that attracts is gravity?

I dont think so.

I think the force of attraction excerted by heavenly bodies is called gravitational forces.

crazy anoopis all forces that attracts is gravity...?

i dont think so...............

i think the force of attraction excerted by heavenly bodies is called gravitational forces

Well, Sir Issac Newton said -

Every object in the Universe attracts every other object, with a force
between any two bodies that is proportional to the product of their
masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between
them.

So force of gravity exists between any two objects.

-The Big K-

I dont think so.

So is there any repulsive force among planets?

if a magnet attracts an iron bar, is it gravitational force?

crazy anoopI dont think so.

So is there any repulsive force among planets?

if a magnet attracts an iron bar, is it gravitational force?

I'm not sure if there exists a repulsive force among planets. My best guess says "No". We'll need someone to confirm this.

A magnet attracts an iron bar with its Magnetic Force. Read the Newton's law again. If M1 & M2 are small, the gravitational attraction between will be small too. But the fact is, it exists between any two objects.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. 😀

-The Big K-

First of all, i must say this is really a fascinating idea...

Now to answere this query,we must look at some of the fundamentalls of Physics...
1) A body can experience a force in a given field only if it itself can generate it.
2) Energy can niether be created nor be destroyed.
3) The Gravity, which is nothing but the force of attraction between two masses is directly proportional to the product of the two masses.

So to create an artificial Gravity, what do we require:
1) Mass
2) For force to be of reasonable magnitude, the mass has to be really heavy.

So in all respects, this is a basic physicall fundamentall force between heavenly bodies & is resposible for the very existence of this universe & in all respects CAN NOT be created artificially because it would require a mass comparable to atleast to that's of Earth's.

Does that answere U'r query !:smile:

There are three fundamental forces in nature.

1. Gravitational : All bodies : Only attraction : magnifies with mass, reduces with distance.

2. Neuclear forces: Atomic : Repulsive + attractive : only atomic masses.
some relation with distance, i forgot.

3. Magnetic : Magnetic material/ferrites (something to do with electron spins : Repulsive + attractive : mass indipendent/ reduces with distance.

Hence, gravity exists, it cannot be created....but if u say "artificial attraction", then i dont think its possible with normal sized bodies, as someone has already pointed out above.

But anti-gravity theory exists and its just Repulsive (that too most probably works with magnetics, rather than gravity)

@anoop; biggie was talking about the gravitational, force existing in all bodies... in our 9th text book there is a formula wich clearely shows its ONLY dependent on mass and distance b/w ALL bodies.

i think we have to wait for that to be happen untill they discover and create gravitons in laboratory.
because if there is anything like graviton then there should be anti gravitons also (because every particle has its anti paricle).
and anti gravitons can create a field which will opposes the gravitational field.

Hi all,

I think artificial gravity can actually be created. Haven't you read about the plane that NASA has made in order to simulate zero gravity in sky? ie, the plane travels in parabolic movements at the same acceleration as that due to gravity and hence it's cancelled. So people inside experience zero gravity. If that is possible, then simulating the gravity experienced in poles at some other places must also be possible by the same argument.

I don't know if i'm correct. Do correct me if i'm wrong.

You can simulate gravity in space of you spin a "torus" shape station around, right?

This seems to be a pretty old thread but i guess this is one i should choose to be my first post(ever)!!! 😀 REgarding gravity, the basic assumption of calling all forces dealing with heavenly objects or otherwise gravity is wrong since the word itself is referred to the force of attraction b/w earth and any object within its gravitational field. all other forces may be referred to as gravitational forces. the thing with the plane that simulates zero gravity is nothing but the counteraction of free fall on "gravity".u may simulate the same experience in an elevator if u have the guts that is!!

Regarding simulation of gravitation b/w 2 object or for that matter even creating a zero gravity spot on earth, we have to goto the fundamental level of interaction b/w 2 bodies.gravitation like many other forces including strong,weak forces etc. is a particle transfer force that is particles are exchanged when a force leads to interaction b/w 2 objects.for gravitation it is merely called a graviton(whose anti particle is also predicted in the Standard Model).but the problem of actually observing a graviton is more complicated and efforts have been going on for the past few decades(in CERN and Fermilab) to actually observe one in transit or interaction.for this the nuances of the string theory must be explained and the ideas of multiple dimensions and membrane-like behaviour be clear.

here the inrteraction b/w heavy particles(certain bosons) is used for detection(actually the presence of the graviton is predicted by its absence!)

the gravitational force is fundamental and applicable to all masses in nature (even us! but our mass product is too low to counteract the small G value)but it so happens that sometimes gets over ridden by a dominant force.for eg: in case of particles less than 10^-8m the molecular forces take charge.

regardin repulsive forces b/w masses there can be as is the case with magnets of like polarity or charges.


Thus in conclusion if we want to produce gravitation it may be solely by being able to produce AND control a very large mass within a very small area(as in the case of neutron stars or black holes).
but if it is merely to create a force of attraction then we may resort ourselves to a standing on the edge (periphery)of a rotating body.
also note that there is no repulsion b/w planets but merely a balancing of forces ie. centripetal counteracts gravitational.

i could keep on writin but i guess this is enough!!!
no sources referred so please correct me if any of my points are wrong(even seemingly so).
thank u.

@shyam:

Good post, buddy.

Thus in conclusion if we want to produce gravitation it may be solely by being able to produce AND control a very large mass within a very small area

Any crazy ideas on how to go about this?

i did not get one point. are taking about creating a system where we can get us 2 feel a sensation of some gravitational pull at a place where there is none(maybe outer space) or are we actually trying to create the same force(same nature) that is experienced between two bodies(due to gravitational pull b/w them)? if we just want to feel a sensation of gravity, (on a gravity free zone)then the solution wd be really simple. we just got to get inside an accelerating body and we would feel as though we are pulled by some force(like we feel we are pulled by the earth). but if we want the other option it's beyond the science we have today, i guess.

Long post, but to answer the moot point, I dont think we can "create" gravity. It exists. Period.

What we CAN do, is we can simulate gravity ... or lack of it for that matter. This can be done by using other forces which act on the physical body to substitute for gravity (or lack of it).

Make sense?

maybe some time in future we can create gravity, stephen hawking says that gravitational force is experienced by two bodies due to the exchange of a particle named graviton between them(brief history of time). now maybe this phenomenon could be manipulated too(correct me if i'm wrong).

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wil post a reply to the gravity topic soon..

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Hi every one.
I have an answer to this one, atleast for a specific purpose. Artificial gravity is a requirement in future space settlement plans, a lot of the same is discussed in NASA space settlement design contest held every year.

The best means suggested by most entries is to rotate a container at a desirable speed and the objects within it shall feel a force (centrifugal) pushing them radially outward. If this container was huge, say in Kms of dia, then a human inside would actually feel as if he was under gravity. The radius of the container and speed of rotation are the parameters that decide the amount of ARTIFICIAL gravitational pull.

Oh my! I don't wish to sound rude but this thread is definitely not for a young student looking for some serious learning. There's so much of incorrect statements here. I'm lost I don't even know from where to start.

Well, I used to be much interested in all the fundamental forces and I'd studied them well during my school days. I don't remember it all too well, but just a few points below from what I read in this thread:

1) (To answer the original question) Yes it is believed by many to be possible to artificially create gravity. The practicality of it is an altogether different story. Look at gravity as nothing more than a curving of the space-time continuum and you might just be able to imagine it (or maybe not). Gravity is also linked to velocity in some cases.

2) There has been mention of negative gravity. Although, it's all only in theory.

3) (crazy_anoop) Gravity is not only between heavenly bodies but between any two masses (including you and me). However, being a weak force it is not perceptible between you and me. There are many other stronger forces around us. If you remember the basic formula of gravitaion, G is proportional only to Masses and inversely to distance between the two masses.

4) Zero gravity is created yes. But by neutralizing gravity with some other force. Much like adding -2 to 2 to get 0 for result. (Explained by Ranvir above me)

I strongly believe that all the 4 fundamental forces be it gravity or strong or weak or electro-magnetic are somehow inter-related. I'm reminded of a quote I read by Bohr, "Physics don't tell us about what is, but what we can say to each other regarding the world around us"

hmmm this seems a very old thread but anyways..........Now when we say can we simulate gravity what xactly r we refering to?
r we refering to the force of attraction by earth on other bodies or r we just refering to any sort off attraction.....?


now Earth has attraction coz of magma revolving around its core.now can we really simulate the cocepts of ionization and magnetism????/
if the ans is yes then yes we can simulate the gravity........and the ans is no then we cant i guess its evident.........

Well Dexter_Neo, 'magma revolving around it's core' is what gives Earth it's magnetic dipoles. It's not related to Gravity. Gravity is fundamental to mass. As I've already mentioned in my previous post it's present between any two bodies of mass.

When we speak of creating gravity it should be understood that we are speaking of artificial gravity say, for use in a space-ship. Your point is very much valid that we don't really create it but only simulate it's effect by creating some other kind of force.

Our understanding of Gravity is still very little and we are yet not sure about what causes gravity. The search for "Graviton" is still on. Some physicist claim to have clues on it. And maybe if we find 'Graviton' we will be able to manipulate gravity. (One way of creating it)

hey...wat is the need of gravity now wen we already got one?why dnt we think of creating zero-gravity areas/parks...wow...hw nice it will be to float like a feather?mm...we can create gravity between objects; also zero-gravity.actually attraction of objects towards planet is called gravitational force.so to create attraction btw objects is possible and thats what u meant,rite?

Going back to textbooks, force of gravitation exists between any two masses and its directly proportional to the product of two masses, inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

Gravity, thus, exists! The discussion should continue on creation of Zero Gravity area on earth. What do you say, fellas?

Ok, I thought we were talking about creating artificial gravity on space station for human living. 😀

Space stations, yes its possible to "create"(actually induce?) artificial gravity as ranvir as pointed out how (above).

As
for zero gravity! 😀 I wish it was here presently, but I dont know how we will achieve it in the future.

i have heard that astronauts are exposed to zero gravity situation in labs before they embark on the space mission.U can make such that there is no gravity.but i think u cant artificially create gravity.Its against nature.But this idea has to be strongly debated!

Yes, We can Create a Gravity

Just as a moving electrical charge creates a magnetic field, so a moving mass generates a gravitomagnetic field.

Alex.JYes, We can Create a Gravity

Just as a moving electrical charge creates a magnetic field, so a moving mass generates a gravitomagnetic field.

Gravitomagnetic field?? Never heard of it before..

Ok, a moving electrical charge creates magnetic field because electricity and magnetism are complimentary.
Now what is the connection between gravity and magnetism?

i know about equipotential phenomena but what is the concept of artificial gravity..??

Quite interesting topic of discussion. If I just recall my school days

"Gravity is a force that attracts two objects existing in the universe" Now the question is how to develop that force. So we need to develop such a force that allow two objects to attract automatically.

Have you ever noticed it all depends on mass ratios of two objects. The difference in the mass of one object getting attracted to other object is considerable large[Example our earth and every object getting attracted to it] ? Correct me if wrong. I guess this is the reason why we are not able to generate it artificially , may be a human cannot handle such a huge large mass? Is it?..Feel free to correct if anything wrong. 😕

Thanks for Making me understand your levels, i am not here to teach, but i want to tell one thing to you guys, true scientist will never come to conclusion before he tries, you guys decided its not possible and started this debate you will never find a answer, we are experimenting this and will reveal soon to the world

I don't want to explain my experiment so please don't try to contact me

I joined this forum because i liked the title CrazyEngineers

Do you guys know who is crazy, who will believe in something, but the world will stand against him and will say he is crazy, until he succeed

hey alex.j you are right the key of success is to try again and agian but we would appreciate your knowledge if you would explain the phenomena involved in the artificial gravity concept...thanks in advance...

Alex.JYes, We can Create a Gravity

Just as a moving electrical charge creates a magnetic field, so a moving mass generates a gravitomagnetic field.

i think it is not true.
as we know that gravity decreases with increase in height & also decreases with decrease in height.i.e
Gravity at the center of earth is zero and in infinite is zero.
also we don't have any force like gravity which is maximum at some specified distance.
so we can't create it

RockerHi all Engineers!

I have a question for those interested in Physics. Can we have artifical Gravity? Meaning, can we create gravity under test conditions?

With best regards,
ROCKER

Answer: Gravity is caused by the graviton particle. How do I know ? I discovered it. The graviton causes gravity by simply bumping into things. All atoms have gravitons in orbit. The earth is a lot of atoms & ergo has a lot of gravitons. Gravity is a pushing force, not attractive. You can create gravity by collecting a lot of atoms into a big lump. Hope this answer helps...Alfred Herman Schrader

I think u can aply with some equipments,
u can aply some external force such as electro magnetic force with force same as gravity by keep accn same as gravitational acceleration ie 9.8,
but u should take it only vaccum.
Thanks.

Agreeing to what Bigge said, gravitation is the force of attraction that exists between each and every matter of the universe(atleast two at a time) in whatever possible strenght.Whereas gravity is the force by which earth pulls any matter towards itself.

In another words, Gravity is a subset of Gravitation.

I would like to hear from ROCKER what actually he means by creating Gravity..??
Does he wants to pull a matter towards an another specific matter with 9.8 m/(sec)2
or he wants to make a particular matter free from earth's pull.

I dont know if we can create gravity ! , But this discussion led me to think about some thing else,Is there anything like anti gravitational force,I mean for a magnet there is north and south poles which repels each other so is there anything that repels eartchs gravitation,So that airtransport canbe made more easy as vehicls can float on the ground due to anti gravitational force?

There are three kinds of attractive forces, if you know, Gravitational, electromagnetic and nuclear. So, the question is can we create gravitational force. Ok, lets make the needs a bit easier. Can we amplify the gravitational force between two bodies, say me and the earth?

The best way to understand "created" gravity is to understand centrifugal force. Using the centrifugal force of rotation you can create artificial gravity. Imagine rotating a can of water fast enough so that the water does not fall out. The same thing works in vacuum and zero gravity. A space shuttle needs to rotate round and round and we have gravity at the ends of the rotating ship.

Read more about it here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gravity" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Artificial gravity - Wikipedia</a>

xheavenlyxThe best way to understand "created" gravity is to understand centrifugal force. Using the centrifugal force of rotation you can create artificial gravity. Imagine rotating a can of water fast enough so that the water does not fall out. The same thing works in vacuum and zero gravity. A space shuttle needs to rotate round and round and we have gravity at the ends of the rotating ship.

Read more about it here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gravity" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Artificial gravity - Wikipedia</a>

Instead of using rotation, is there any other way? Just curiosity.

Hmm, not really, dont think there is another way, the actual working of gravity is understood, but how its "created" is not understood clearly. Rotation is the best way (for now).

If we consider gravity as a separate 'force' then I am not sure whether the rotatin thing should be even considerd as gravity. It is plain simple centrifugal force, also which would have been absent if there would not have been a vertical component of "F=mg" acting on the string. Please clear my doubt on this- Can a space shuttle rotating in the absence of gravity(read SPACE) have ARTIFICIAL gravity?

I think creating gravity is possible. Anything is possible. The gravity on the moon is less than the earth. Different planets have different gravities. Different gravity forces can exist in different places. If gravity is able to be made by a marble just say. Then the force will be so small it wouldn't be able to keep anything on its surface. You probably wouldn't be able to measure it or even no if any forces are there. Thats why you would need a big mass to generate a force big enough to notice. Keep in mind that the marble would have to be in space free from external gravity forces.

So yes I think its plausible to make weak gravity forces.

what about GAS GRAVITY (earths atmosphere) .can we create it ? if any thing is wrong correct me ......

Higgs boson fellas

HI EVRYBODY.... gravity is nt a matter to create... wat we can do is jst produce some thrust or something to feel the zero gravity... as one of my friend said about some nasa 's vehichle.. basically it uses some jet propulsion system to maintain its thrust which in turn offers the zero gravity... it is nt actually the zerogravity its an opposite force... its just my view... if i hav gone something wrong am sorry..

I think instead of creating gravity we can magnify i.e; amplify it.While a certain amount of residual gravity will always be present in any body on account of its mass.While magnifying it is simple.You just need to create a force of attraction may be by using magnets or electromagnets.