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Kaustubh Katdare
Kaustubh Katdare • Sep 1, 2008

Google Chrome Vs. Mozilla Firefox Vs. Microsoft

I've been thinking, Google is slowly trying to be the next Microsoft. With the launch of Google Chrome, the world moves one step ahead towards browser+hardware platform. So, we can very well accept that in future, the need for Operating systems (read Microsoft Windows) will be eliminated.

So far, Google has been funding the Mozilla Firefox project. But with the launch of their own browser, which is a direct competition to Mozilla Firefox, their relationship with Mozilla is not going to last forever. Google recently hired two lead Firefox engineers and Mozilla is certainly not happy about it.

Microsoft, in the mean time, has been trying hard to make IE 8 super rich. But since the world seems to favor everything that Google does - IE 8 is going to see some good competition. Will Chrome put an end to Windows? Will Chrome end the good Firefox?

What do you think?
kedarjk
kedarjk • Sep 2, 2008
No, Microsoft is a toughest competitor. Googles one web browser can't challenge the kingdom of MS.
Also very few people know about such highly technical things, other still rely on MS.
MS will also be coming with so many new features, they are the masters in selling products to people. More than that, MS is been known to people for so many years, so marketing of their new products is not going to be tough for them.

About mozilla firefox, we can have 2-3 web browsers in our system 😉.
So I guess, if good featuring from mozilla continues, it will survie.
Mayur Pathak
Mayur Pathak • Sep 2, 2008
Mozilla still remains the favorite browser for lot of people like me. And I think it will continue to be so until Google comes up with some thing kick ass which even Mozilla cant beat.

As far as Microsoft is concerned, they may be feeling a bit left out but are surely gathering steam. Their Media Room initiative is gearing up for that big IPTV launch 😀sshhh: this is from a MS insider). This is just an example how Microsoft is trying to explore territories with no presence from its nearest competitors. For that matter even Yahoo! has collaborated with Intel for lot of initiatives in interactive media (including launching an IPTV again that will run by your Yahoo messenger account.)

Google's attempt at domination of the web world on the other hand will continue. Whether they can completely beat Microsoft or not is a question even Larry Page may not be able to answer.
Prasad Ajinkya
Prasad Ajinkya • Sep 2, 2008
I really do not think that Google and MS are competing on the same turf. If MS has its vast suite of applications, Google has its suite of web-based applications. Both of them need each other to survive, so what if there is some competition between the areas that overlap. e.g Desktop based search, IM, browsers, et al.
Kaustubh Katdare
Kaustubh Katdare • Sep 2, 2008
Kidakaka - do you agree with "Google is trying to be Microsoft" [PS:. Monopoly]
Mayur Pathak
Mayur Pathak • Sep 2, 2008
The_Big_K
Kidakaka - do you agree with "Google is trying to be Microsoft" [PS:. Monopoly]
The grass is always greener on the other side of the web space. May it be Google, Microsoft, Yahoo... they will continue to be competitors in the race for web space
xheavenlyx
xheavenlyx • Sep 3, 2008
In the corporate world everyone is trying to beat everyone else. Remember how Netscape was "shot down" at a microsoft's meeting? And what about Intel/AMD and Nvidia and ATI (now both are part of Intel and AMD respectively)? Inumerous examples, its normal.

I dont think Google is trying to "be" microsoft. It is what it is. google has some "unmatched" services that microsoft cannot even touch, where as Microsoft is in itself very VERY important. People use Google products through Microsoft Windows (I am talking aout general population, otherwise even Linux is very important!).

Now the tables can turn ONLY if Google can match an OS of the popularity of MS wiindows. But that seems a bit far, considering Linux (being free) still hasnt cought up with the general poppulation.

Kidikada has put it well 😁 😁

I did try the new Chrome browser, but yea, it does need a bit more polishing (thats why beta). But one thing I noticed is that it uses a LOT LOT LOT less RAM than firefox. Dont know how, if someone can enlighten us on that area, please do!
bayazidahmed
bayazidahmed • Sep 3, 2008
"Google Chrome is partly a defensive move as Microsoft is incorporating functionality in new browsers that may block the collection of ad targeting information," Stifel Nicolaus analyst George Askew wrote in a note Tuesday.

And google runs on advertisements. Google is manipulating the search engines to show the results it desires. It is trying to force everything its way!

Down with google! I am thinking switching to live for search after I did a quick search for the keyword "google chrome" on google and live, which confirmed my doubts about google.
Kaustubh Katdare
Kaustubh Katdare • Sep 3, 2008
On a personal note, I did try Live search and it worked very well. I *might* shift to live search as well.
Mayur Pathak
Mayur Pathak • Sep 4, 2008
Well I have tried searching various threads simultaneously on both Google and live (including my own name :grin: ) and they returned with similar results. So this shows there is no marked difference and hence no reason for people to change loyalties.

But there is a catch. As soon as I try to search the term "Internet Browser" you see the difference. Google's top listing is the news about launch of 'Chrome' whereas Live doesn't feature Chrome even on the third search page. IE on the other hand is at the bottom of the Google listing which is full of Mozilla links. Wow! This confirms bayazidahmed's news. And I think even Live is manipulating the searches, not only Google. Click following links to check yourself.

Internet Browser - Live Search
Internet Browser - Google Search
Kaustubh Katdare
Kaustubh Katdare • Sep 4, 2008
Okay, fellas,

Don't put :% in the address bar of Chrome. You've been warned. 😉

For details, visit following thread - https://www.crazyengineers.com/forum/chillax-chit-chat/4442-how-crash-googles-chrome-new-post.html

Bruwahaha
xheavenlyx
xheavenlyx • Sep 4, 2008
Google Chrome is still Beta, and firefox, which was release in 2002 is matured and experienced. 😁

frankly, I dont like the idea of a Google browser. They should support/expand Mozilla all the way they can!

And yea, google is pretty sneaky:: info from Wikipedia:

The Mozilla Corporation's relationship with Liquid Web Heroic Support | Liquid Web has been noted in the media,[115][116] especially with regard to their paid referral agreement. The release of the anti-phishing protection in Firefox 2 in particular raised considerable controversy:[117] anti-phishing protection enabled by default is based on a list updated by twice-hourly downloads to the user's computer from Google's server.[118] The user cannot change the data provider within the GUI,[119] and is not informed who the default data provider is. The browser also sends Google's cookie with each update request.[120] An additional, explicitly opt-in security feature has been added to recent builds by the Mozilla Foundation. This anti-phishing feature provides live protection by checking each visited URL with Google.[121] Some Internet privacy advocacy groups have expressed concerns surrounding Google's possible uses of this data, though Firefox's privacy policy states that Google may not use personal information for any purposes other than the anti-phishing protection feature.[118]
In 2005, the Mozilla Foundation and Mozilla Corporation had a combined revenue of US$52.9 million, with approximately 95 percent derived from search engine royalties.[122][123] In 2006, the Mozilla Foundation and Mozilla Corporation had a combined revenue of US$66.9 million, with approximately 90 percent derived from search engine royalties.[122][124]
Talk about collaboration!!
bayazidahmed
bayazidahmed • Sep 4, 2008
mayurpathak
Well I have tried searching various threads simultaneously on both Google and live (including my own name :grin: ) and they returned with similar results. So this shows there is no marked difference and hence no reason for people to change loyalties.

But there is a catch. As soon as I try to search the term "Internet Browser" you see the difference. Google's top listing is the news about launch of 'Chrome' whereas Live doesn't feature Chrome even on the third search page. IE on the other hand is at the bottom of the Google listing which is full of Mozilla links. Wow! This confirms bayazidahmed's news. And I think even Live is manipulating the searches, not only Google. Click following links to check yourself.

Internet Browser - Live Search
Internet Browser - Google Search
In live search IE was on 4th number(below firefox!!!) unlike google search where only chrome and Firefox rule! Very bad!

Let CEans expose the corrupt practices of google and launch a campaign to expose and give bad publicity to google.
Ashraf HZ
Ashraf HZ • Sep 4, 2008
ahmed, what do you mean? I used Live and Google search for "Internet Explorer", the first hit was Microsoft's IE for both. If you try searching "IE" in both, Live doesnt list it in the first page, while Google still points to Microsoft.

IE - Live Search
IE - Google Search

I think Live has a tendency towards the actual domain names, while Google are geared/biased towards what is "common" and in trend within the keywords of the webpage. Most of us know "IE" as Internet Explorer, but "IE" is also the top level domain name for Irish websites (as listed in the Live search). So whats your take on that?
Kaustubh Katdare
Kaustubh Katdare • Sep 4, 2008
Hmm. Google's does no evil 😁

You know what? They are taking control of the web and our lives.
Mayur Pathak
Mayur Pathak • Sep 5, 2008
ash
ahmed, what do you mean? I used Live and Google search for "Internet Explorer", the first hit was Microsoft's IE for both. If you try searching "IE" in both, Live doesnt list it in the first page, while Google still points to Microsoft.

IE - Live Search
IE - Google Search

I think Live has a tendency towards the actual domain names, while Google are geared/biased towards what is "common" and in trend within the keywords of the webpage. Most of us know "IE" as Internet Explorer, but "IE" is also the top level domain name for Irish websites (as listed in the Live search). So whats your take on that?
😒 IE is the brand name of the browser ash. Although Microsoft made the term Internet Explorer generic. Searching for IE is like searching for Firefox or Chrome or Opera ...
bayazidahmed
bayazidahmed • Sep 5, 2008
ash
ahmed, what do you mean? I used Live and Google search for "Internet Explorer", the first hit was Microsoft's IE for both. If you try searching "IE" in both, Live doesnt list it in the first page, while Google still points to Microsoft.

IE - Live Search
IE - Google Search

I think Live has a tendency towards the actual domain names, while Google are geared/biased towards what is "common" and in trend within the keywords of the webpage. Most of us know "IE" as Internet Explorer, but "IE" is also the top level domain name for Irish websites (as listed in the Live search). So whats your take on that?
Very weird! Searching for 'Internet Browser' in live brings FF at number 3 and IE at number 4 where as on google.co.in 1st comes chrome, followed by FF, Maxthon (the Chinese browser), Opera, Safari. IE comes way below at 9th!
On google.com the results are almost same as .co.in with a little improvement in IE ranking.

How is it possible? Two people getting completely different results?
Mayur Pathak
Mayur Pathak • Sep 5, 2008
bayazidahmed
How is it possible? Two people getting completely different results?
The results are different because you searched 'Internet Browser' where as Ash searched 'Internet Explorer.'
Ashraf HZ
Ashraf HZ • Sep 6, 2008
mayurpathak
The results are different because you searched 'Internet Browser' where as Ash searched 'Internet Explorer.'
Duly noted 😛 Sorry! Actually, my links points to "IE".

Here's my observations:
1. Don't you think its weird that Live search for "IE" does not give a single reference to Internet Explorer on the first page, instead it lists Irish pages? That what I meant by domain related search and keyword search.

2. And for the "Internet Browser" search on Live, it doesnt show a single web browser program except Slick Browser 2.1. Thats different from Ahmed's observations! No mention of firefox even.
Results
bayazidahmed
bayazidahmed • Sep 6, 2008
Because I am searching on live.com where as you are using some other domain (maybe .co.in)
$iddharth
$iddharth • Sep 26, 2008
chrome the beta version does not support download accelerators. Also it does not have many of the add ons of firefox per se. Lets see once the main thing is launched we will be in a better position to decide. As of now firefox is my browser.
aashima
aashima • Oct 5, 2008
I tried Chrome, it appeared promising at first but I found myself more comfortable with my old FF.
Though, as expected from Google, Chrome can definitely be expected to rule in the near future, but for now, the newbie surely faces a good competition in the market. IE8 "according to me" comes after the two.
Apple Safari too was a good experience just that its way too slow.
Kaustubh Katdare
Kaustubh Katdare • Oct 5, 2008
Well, Google products have a proven history of failing in keeping the 'buzz'. There products are launched with much excitement, but the excitement goes down with the time.
boopeb
boopeb • Jan 21, 2009
xheavenlyx
In the corporate world everyone is trying to beat everyone else. Remember how Netscape was "shot down" at a microsoft's meeting? And what about Intel/AMD and Nvidia and ATI (now both are part of Intel and AMD respectively)? Inumerous examples, its normal.

I dont think Google is trying to "be" microsoft. It is what it is. google has some "unmatched" services that microsoft cannot even touch, where as Microsoft is in itself very VERY important. People use Google products through Microsoft Windows (I am talking aout general population, otherwise even Linux is very important!).

Now the tables can turn ONLY if Google can match an OS of the popularity of MS wiindows. But that seems a bit far, considering Linux (being free) still hasnt cought up with the general poppulation.

Kidikada has put it well 😁 😁

I did try the new Chrome browser, but yea, it does need a bit more polishing (thats why beta). But one thing I noticed is that it uses a LOT LOT LOT less RAM than firefox. Dont know how, if someone can enlighten us on that area, please do!
IN this it is n=mentioned that linux is free and still it has not been as popular as windows but just see the dependencies on how the microsoft people have brought. The whole thing is mostly put in a way that the windows people get advantages. Since in the working of linux must differ from windows they have put some one step process to a few steps more to get the answer. May be one big advantage is that no virus yet found in linux. and if at all easy to clear. i am not sure of the last line.

thank you

this is my first reply .
so any mistake or correction please do reply me.
xheavenlyx
xheavenlyx • Jan 25, 2009
I really did not understand your reply, but I guess you get it.

What I meant with my last reply was that, if Google really wants to compete, it must bring out an OS better than (in a lot of ways), than microsoft's Windows. But that is difficult, much easier said than done.
Its most probable Google will take the open source route for their OS, and join the likes of the big three in community driven Linux distros: Canonical (Ubuntu), Novell (openSUSE) and Red Hat (Fedora).

Android is only their first stepping stone 😉

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