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    m.vivekanandan

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    Updated: Oct 25, 2024
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    hot water kept in well insulated thermos flak is an example of closed system or isolated system??
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  • Ramani Aswath

    Member • May 28, 2012

    Depends.
    In theory it is an isolated system. In reality it is a closed system as mass transfer is prevented. Unless the temperature of the water remains invariant with time it cannot be an isolated system as heat transfer, albeit slowly, still takes place.
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  • akash.kasina

    Member • May 29, 2012

    theoretically,it cannot be a closed system because in an insulated thermos flask,neither matter,nor energy is transferred.....so it's an example of isolated system,but under practical considerations the container cannot be a perfect insulator of heat...right!!!!
    so it's a closed system practically.😁👍
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  • nibhani

    Member • Jun 3, 2012

    m.vivekanandan
    hot water kept in well insulated thermos flak is an example of closed system or isolated system??
    it is a closed system because it will transfer heat with surrounding but not transfer mass so it is a closed system...
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  • mechky

    Member • Jun 3, 2012

    m.vivekanandan
    hot water kept in well insulated thermos flak is an example of closed system or isolated system??
    In a closed system, no mass transfer takes place across the boundaries. Whereas in case of isolated system, neither mass nor energy transfer occurs across the system boundaries.

    So, as bioramani sir said, in reality it is always a closed system as no transfer of mass(water) is taking place. Isolated systems do not exist in reality.
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  • zaveri

    Member • Jun 3, 2012

    nibhani
    it is a closed system because it will transfer heat with surrounding but not transfer mass so it is a closed system...
    how can heat transfer take place through an insulated medium ?
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  • akash.kasina

    Member • Jun 3, 2012

    nibhani
    it is a closed system because it will transfer heat with surrounding but not transfer mass so it is a closed system...
    assuming the thermos as 100% ideal,heat cannot be exchanged,even practically very small amount is exchanged,thats the reason why we use thermos flasks!!😀
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  • mechky

    Member • Jun 3, 2012

    zaveri
    how can heat transfer take place through an insulated medium ?
    akash.kasina
    assuming the thermos as 100% ideal,heat cannot be exchanged,even practically very small amount is exchanged,thats the reason why we use thermos flasks!!😀
    Considering a real situation, heat transfer takes place across an insulated thermos flask. I am not aware of any flask in which you can put something warm and it will remain at that temperature forever. So indeed it is a closed system.

    However if we assume ideal situations, we can consider it to be a isolated system.
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  • nibhani

    Member • Jun 6, 2012

    zaveri
    how can heat transfer take place through an insulated medium ?
    heat transfer can't takes place through an insulated meadium..but in practical life perfectly insulated meadium is not possible...
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  • m.vivekanandan

    Member • Jun 10, 2012

    if this question is asked in exam , i will go with isolated system??
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  • vikaskumar11233

    Member • Jun 10, 2012

    According to me it is a closed system.As the mass is not transferred.
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  • Ramani Aswath

    Member • Jun 10, 2012

    m.vivekanandan
    if this question is asked in exam , i will go with isolated system??
    If I were the examiner, I would mark it wrong. No vacuum flask is completely insulating.
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  • nibhani

    Member • Jun 11, 2012

    m.vivekanandan
    if this question is asked in exam , i will go with isolated system??
    if this question will be asked in exam you can give the same answer which i have given because it is an actual answer no one can say that its wrong...u can feel it in practical life...
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  • nibhani

    Member • Jun 11, 2012

    m.vivekanandan
    hot water kept in well insulated thermos flak is an example of closed system or isolated system??
    in ideal case it is an example of isolated system...but in practiacal case it is an example of a closed system because fask is well insulated not perfectly insulated....and perfectly insulaated system is not possible in this world..so ideally u can say that it is an isolated syastem but not practiaclly...
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  • mechky

    Member • Jun 11, 2012

    m.vivekanandan
    if this question is asked in exam , i will go with isolated system??
    Yes, theoretically we assume it to be isolated system.
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  • Kedar Malwadkar

    Member • Jun 25, 2012

    theoreticaly it is example of isolated system.
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  • The myth buster

    Member • Jun 25, 2012

    the answer is "closed system"..becoz their is nothing like a perfect insulator..so some transit energy in the form of heat shall always be there..due to this heat interaction between the system(water jar) and the surrounding,the system cannot be justifiably called as an isolated system.
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