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@Ankita Katdare • 22 Jun, 2013 • 1 like
Having seen the state of final year students and the IT industry trainees first hand, I know that there are people who just don't get the hang of programming. They don't know how to code and they simply don't know what stdio.h stands for or difference between abstract class and interface. There are threads on education forums and career guidance forums are rich with queries that go like this -

"I wanna ask that what are the career options after btech, actually i am not good in programming, so what are the other job opportunities rather than a programmer...I am good in presenting thing so is there any option in management?? if yes plss tell me in detail.."

This is madness to some extent, because more and more students are opting for CS/IT Degrees and they just HATE coding. So, I would like to know the views of CEans here about what exactly are the career options for such students and fresh graduates?

Let us list down what all they can do, so that at least this time - they can make an informed decision.
@Abhishek Rawal • 23 Jun, 2013 • 2 likes People hate something because they can't defeat them. In the case of studies, people hate subject when they can't understand it. So, if an Engineer hates coding means he can't understand it & coding is all about logic, which means he/she lacks the logic skills.
Engineering is all about logic & understanding.

So if a B.Tech student of CS/IT, unable to understand codes or can't program or hate coding,then he/she must opt for "Management". So, MBA would be good option.

There are many Engineers of CS/IT field I knew who opt for CSE because Compters are just cool. Pity 😳
@Anoop Kumar • 23 Jun, 2013 Only few like programming after B.Tech. and if they aren't good then there are plenty of option like Testing (it's general option for students who aren't like programming), MBA, Training for BA (Seriously I don't know what actually they are specialized in).
Bank PO is also a good option.
Do master/Phd and become lecturer for B.Tech.
@Neeraj Sharma • 02 Jul, 2013 • 1 like Adding to the ones already stated above, I always suggest those who do not like programming to learn back end technologies. They are easier to learn and build upon step by step. Oracle SQL is one example.

There is also a rapidly evolving sector in IT called Business Intelligence. Get hands on with some well known ETL tool like Informatica. I bet it is easier to learn than any programming language. Yes, it does demand thinking and logic in implementation but it is different than coding and fun to learn..
@Ashraf HZ • 02 Jul, 2013 • 1 like
Abhishek Rawal
So, if an Engineer hates coding means he can't understand it & coding is all about logic, which means he/she lacks the logic skills.
Engineering is all about logic & understanding.
So.. ALL engineers must love coding? 😛
@Abhishek Rawal • 02 Jul, 2013
ash
So.. ALL engineers must love coding? 😛
I guess the title specifies about "Computer Science" Engineering & thus I don't think it was necessary to add prefix "Computer Science" term to Suffix "Engineer/Engineering" in quoted post of mine.
So, I basically don't understand that, if a Computer Science Engineer doesn't love coding, what is the purpose of opting for CSE ? for playing games on computer ?
@Jeffrey Arulraj • 02 Jul, 2013 There are a few who take a branch only cause of the craze and hype it gives

Well this is four years wasted
But if that person is interested hardware he can try to start his own computer assembling shop
Or
Work in some company that deals with hardware

PS: There are a bus load of companies which assembles a pc and sells them and so this is always an evergreen field
@Neeraj Sharma • 02 Jul, 2013 • 1 like I think "Coding" is not the only thing that defines Computer Science. Its both front end and back end. I have seen people struggle in coding but getting high pays and work satisfaction working on the back end technologies.

Speaking from my own experience, though I was good in coding I went for Business Intelligence domain simply because it is more interesting and innovative for me
@Ashraf HZ • 02 Jul, 2013 • 1 like
Abhishek Rawal
So, I basically don't understand that, if a Computer Science Engineer doesn't love coding, what is the purpose of opting for CSE ? for playing games on computer ?
I understand the sentiment. Though as others mentioned, the computer science domain is quite vast. If you are not good in coding, there are many things that you can get involved in that has something to do with "computers".

Getting a degree doesn't immediately define your career path. It gives you a peak into what you'd like and don't like 😀
@rohit sarkar • 23 Mar, 2014
Abhishek Rawal
I guess the title specifies about "Computer Science" Engineering & thus I don't think it was necessary to add prefix "Computer Science" term to Suffix "Engineer/Engineering" in quoted post of mine.
So, I basically don't understand that, if a Computer Science Engineer doesn't love coding, what is the purpose of opting for CSE ? for playing games on computer ?
i tell u one thing that engineers are fast and easy in maths section so if they go for any m.b.a exam ,they can kill commerce field graduates .. and mind u then they kill many cse engineers in I.T firms as anything moreover getting a paycheck of avg. 12 lakhs. and pity those cse engineers stuck onto 4 lacs avg .
@Abhishek Rawal • 23 Mar, 2014
rohit sarkar
i tell u one thing that engineers are fast and easy in maths section so if they go for any m.b.a exam
And still I see maximum backlogs in Mathematics - I to IV. What an irony 😉
@micheal john • 24 Mar, 2014
Abhishek Rawal
And still I see maximum backlogs in Mathematics - I to IV. What an irony 😉
in the end, what matters is your 'PASSION'😀
@Ankita Katdare • 01 Apr, 2014 • 2 likes For anyone looking for career options, be it after Computer Science B.E. or B.Tech or any other branch - here are the simple choices for you:

Get a MBA Degree
Work in a startup
Prepare for Civil Services exams
Take short term courses in your field of interest
Become an artist - Pursue your hobbies.

The present education system might have confused/tricked/pushed you into choosing CS/IT branch, but there's still time and better late than never.

Therefore as @micheal john says pursue your passion. Not knowing how to code isn't the end of the world.
@avii • 08 Apr, 2014
Neeraj Sharma
I think "Coding" is not the only thing that defines Computer Science. Its both front end and back end. I have seen people struggle in coding but getting high pays and work satisfaction working on the back end technologies.
Can you give some examples of a CS Engineering job without Coding?
@Anoop Kumar • 08 Apr, 2014 • 1 like
avii
Can you give some examples of a CS Engineering job without Coding?
Manager, Quality process, Manual Testing, Business Analyst.
In all these you need to be best with domain knowledge and practical user experience.
@avii • 08 Apr, 2014
Anoop Kumar
Manager, Quality process, Manual Testing, Business Analyst.
In all these you need to be best with domain knowledge and practical user experience.
Wait, if I am not wrong, Manager, Quality Process and Business Analyst does not require a CSE guy. (do they really need CSE Engg grad here? I don't think so. If yes, what concepts of CSE they will be using which studied during engineering?).

Testing involves coding. Though not all testing jobs.
@Anoop Kumar • 08 Apr, 2014 If " Manager, Quality Process and Business Analyst ", these guys not coming from computer background they just suck at their job and don't bridge the gap between team and management. One of main reason of project failure and these guys simply blame the team if anything goes wrong.
@Void Runner • 11 Apr, 2014
Abhishek Rawal
And still I see maximum backlogs in Mathematics - I to IV. What an irony 😉
That is the power of coaching - engineers get themselves coached for everything and then do well in entrance exams. When it comes down to the reality, they are about as bad as everyone else. 😁

As for people not knowing to code, to be frank I feel coding is actually the simpler part of Computer Science and Computer Engineering. When you get down to compiler designs, machine designs, hardware design it is so much more complicated, you'd wish you were just doing code instead 😛

Things like Data Warehousing and Business Intelligence are more oriented towards the management side, but to me just seem like big buzzwords today. Either way that is a decent way to go. 😀
@avii • 11 Apr, 2014
Anoop Kumar
If " Manager, Quality Process and Business Analyst ", these guys not coming from computer background they just suck at their job and don't bridge the gap between team and management. One of main reason of project failure and these guys simply blame the team if anything goes wrong.
so they need knowledge of computers, not Engineering degree in Comp Sci right?
@Anoop Kumar • 11 Apr, 2014
avii
so they need knowledge of computers, not Engineering degree in Comp Sci right?
Not the knowledge of computers but... deep knowledge of product domain, flow and future scope is necessary . They should know the impact of change and user perspective.
@avii • 12 Apr, 2014
Anoop Kumar
Not the knowledge of computers but... deep knowledge of product domain, flow and future scope is necessary . They should know the impact of change and user perspective.
But thats not at all taught in CSE Engineering degree. Are you not contracting yourself?
@Anoop Kumar • 12 Apr, 2014
avii
so they need knowledge of computers, not Engineering degree in Comp Sci right?
Sorry, missed your points. I believe degree is just stamp after 10 years in industry. Nature of work is more important.
I was trying to say is BA and Manger should evolve from team, who had been involve in development process. But their primary function is
deep knowledge of product domain, flow and future scope is necessary . They should know the impact of change and user perspective.
@avii • 12 Apr, 2014 So, if degree holds no value, then why it is needed at all? Thus can we conclude, for such jobs we don't actually need who have completed Engineering in CSE?

and a CSE guy should know coding?
@Anoop Kumar • 12 Apr, 2014 It's not black and white here.
If you think that way, how can a BA guy will attach to development process is not coming from engineering field but here you can also find service based companies who recruit all the engineering domain, Mechanical, electrical and train them, even for coding/testing.
So even if they didn't from computer science, they are now involved in development process after training (Here training is only for how things done not the full academic).
@avii • 12 Apr, 2014
Anoop Kumar
If you think that way, how can a BA guy will attach to development process is not coming from engineering field but
Why he cannot? All he needs is a month of training and he can learn along the job whatever required.

but then why are we talking about BA guy

Anoop Kumar
here you can also find service based companies who recruit all the engineering domain, Mechanical, electrical and train them, even for coding/testing.
So even if they didn't from computer science, they are now involved in development process after training (Here training is only for how things done not the full academic).
So? Service based companies does not require coders 90% of the time. Having worked in industry, I would say even a 12th pass guy will shine in companies like Infosys, because of nature of work.

fixing from

whil(some_condition > 1)
to

while(some_condition > 1)
is not coding.
@Anoop Kumar • 12 Apr, 2014 Agreed...
As I said, it's not black & white in Indian software industry.
It's divided in service based, product based, production support, and at different places you will find different standard and procedure.
@Neeraj Sharma • 27 Apr, 2014 @avii : ETL consultants, business intelligence engineers, data engineers, they dont require coding
@avii • 28 Apr, 2014
Neeraj Sharma
@avii : ETL consultants, business intelligence engineers, data engineers, they dont require coding
neither they require CSE grads
@Neeraj Sharma • 10 May, 2014 Who told they dont need cse grads. can you show me any job postings?
As far as I have seen, they cse grads are required.
@Neeraj Sharma • 11 May, 2014 I have read those and I am not talking about business analysts and managers. I am talking about Data Warehousing and I dont think that data warehousing doesn't require a CS Engineer because having worked in a top company in Data Warehousing domain, I know how much a CSE engineer can do rather than a Computer Science coached guy.
@garora23 • 06 Jun, 2014 What about going with system programming...is there any scope..?...or should i go with application programming...?...suggestions would be valuable...
I have just completed my Btech CSE(2014)
@avii • 13 Jun, 2014 ^do you what is system programming or application programming?
@Sree Ram Peri • 17 Jun, 2014 Best advise i can give is,Firstly, most of us take coding as tedious/ boring / hard for granted and run away from it.

Its all about making a right choice. After couple of years of grad, where do you see yourself : (Computer Science Perspective)
- Software engineer
* Software developer / tester / Analyst / Deployment and Implementation Engineer.
(Cant run away from programming in these fields + Certifications of Programming adds a feather to your cap )



-Networking
* System Admin / Network Admin
(Sound knowledge of OS, Computer Organization and fundamentals of Networking is must)
(Networking courses or certifications are much valued viz., A+ , N+ , CCNA, CCNP , CCIE, Juniper certifications, Microsoft Certifications )

Good Luck.!
@Nitasha Chaudhary • 10 Jul, 2014
Neeraj Sharma
Adding to the ones already stated above, I always suggest those who do not like programming to learn back end technologies. They are easier to learn and build upon step by step. Oracle SQL is one example.

There is also a rapidly evolving sector in IT called Business Intelligence. Get hands on with some well known ETL tool like Informatica. I bet it is easier to learn than any programming language. Yes, it does demand thinking and logic in implementation but it is different than coding and fun to learn..
@Nitasha Chaudhary • 10 Jul, 2014 I hv done b.tech in cse (2013). I also find programming very hard. Can you please suggest me something valueable? Thanks much.
@Kuldeep Verma • 14 Nov, 2014 Hello guys,, can you please suggest me what should I do as a carrier option? I am an engineer and I love to code and I can code for hours, but its making me introvert. While coding I have everything even my food, sleep and anything that comes in my way. Even I hate talking to people.
I am afraid if this continues for some more year, I will have to leave the planet. I want a job that is more about talking to people and is in engineering domain.
Thanks to all
@Kuldeep Verma • 14 Nov, 2014 Hello guys,, can you please suggest me what should I do as a carrier option? I am an engineer and I love to code and I can code for hours, but its making me introvert. While coding I hate everything even my food, sleep and anything that comes in my way. Even I hate talking to people.
I am afraid if this continues to happen for some more year, I will have to leave the planet. I want a job that is more about talking to people and is in engineering domain.
Thanks to all
@Anoop Kumar • 14 Nov, 2014
Kuldeep Verma
I will have to leave the planet.
You landed on right planet, that is CE ☕. Stick for a while and you will not need another planet.
If you love the code then why you want to talk, probably you need to go to BA line for talking and interaction with people or HR 😘.
@Kuldeep Verma • 14 Nov, 2014
Anoop Kumar
You landed on right planet, that is CE ☕. Stick for a while and you will not need another planet.
If you love the code then why you want to talk, probably you need to go to BA line for talking and interaction with people or HR 😘.
Thanks anoop
Coz when I code, I don't get to know what is happening outside. And you know less you interact with people the more you are in trouble.
well sometimes I think I should get into database jobs.. may be this can help.
@Abhishek Rawal • 14 Nov, 2014 After reading this, I don't want to live in this planet anymore.
@Anoop Kumar • 14 Nov, 2014
Kuldeep Verma
Coz when I code, I don't get to know what is happening outside. And you know less you interact with people the more you are in trouble.
If I am not wrong, It's every coder wish. Nope, code is only people you should interact with ☕.
@sameer89 • 19 May, 2015 Dear all,
Can any one suggest me, I am from distance education and got degree of b.com recently, but very much interested in computers, software and IT.
But very difficult to find the correct path where should I go.
I dont have interest in accounts and all, wants to go in IT sector.

Request you to guys kindly suggest me which is best and easier path for career start up which will be not difficult for me as I am not from IT background.
@sameer89 • 19 May, 2015
sameer89
Dear all,
Can any one suggest me, I am from distance education and got degree of b.com recently, but very much interested in computers, software and IT.
But very difficult to find the correct path where should I go.
I dont have interest in accounts and all, wants to go in IT sector.

Request you to guys kindly suggest me which is best and easier path for career start up which will be not difficult for me as I am not from IT background.
???
@Shuvam Jaiswal • 05 Jul, 2015
There is also a rapidly evolving sector in IT called Business Intelligence. Get hands on with some well known ETL tool like Informatica. I bet it is easier to learn than any programming language.
I am also not much good in programming,can you tell me sir how can i move forward in the field of software testing or BI?
@Ramanuja SVL • 11 Jul, 2015 I am B.tech 3rd year student and I know this is the right time to make a career deciding decision regarding what I'm supposed to be choosing as a career in my life like which will be my working field and I find myself in an ambiguous situation.The thing is that I don't find coding as something which is boring or tedious but instead I find it hard.I'll understand code but I find it difficult to generate it by myself I'm good with the programming concepts(though not perfect),I feel the problem might be lack of practice is it a viable cause? I need to travel long distance for my college and for other reasons I'll get a very little time to practice.Learning/practicing in the college is even not happening since the academic year just finishes with a limited lab programs for basic understanding.Can anyone suggest me what to do in a situation like this?
Thank You.
@preeti patil • 08 Sep, 2015 i am a btech computer science student.and i was well in programming during my btech.but currently m doing job in rural development department.please anybody suggest is there any scope with my job experience.
@Kaustubh Katdare • 08 Sep, 2015
preeti patil
but currently m doing job in rural development department.please anybody suggest is there any scope with my job experience.
Could you tell us a bit more about the experience you have? What kind of work are you doing and what type of career do you wish to get into?
@Bhavna k • 13 Sep, 2015 • 1 like
Ankita Katdare
Having seen the state of final year students and the IT industry trainees first hand, I know that there are people who just don't get the hang of programming. They don't know how to code and they simply don't know what stdio.h stands for or difference between abstract class and interface. There are threads on education forums and career guidance forums are rich with queries that go like this -

"I wanna ask that what are the career options after btech, actually i am not good in programming, so what are the other job opportunities rather than a programmer...I am good in presenting thing so is there any option in management?? if yes plss tell me in detail.."

This is madness to some extent, because more and more students are opting for CS/IT Degrees and they just HATE coding. So, I would like to know the views of CEans here about what exactly are the career options for such students and fresh graduates?

Let us list down what all they can do, so that at least this time - they can make an informed decision.
There are various other job profiles in it industry like research analyst, us it recruiter, technical associate etc which they can opt for.
@sahdik • 09 Oct, 2015 I'm a candidate of final year with b.tech in cse....I hv little good knowledge in coding with java bt I hv no idea that how can I get my best career option. .....infact I like to do programming....through my four years I did only java basic skills code or nothing else.
So I wanna job? Is there any field?
@Ankita Katdare • 06 Dec, 2015 @sahdik We are not sure where exactly you are stuck. You are in your final year, you love programming, you've already learnt Java. If these things are true - you should become a Java Developer - the evergreen career in the life of CS/IT engineers. If you say that you only know the basics of Java programming, you need to polish your skills. This can be done by developing pet projects. For instance, build your own software system to help your local kirana wala or come up with a lawyer's work management system. Do it simply for learning how to code. Do not worry about how the system gets developed. Spend hours reading about Java. How people write code. What are the best practices in the industry. Do a certification course if it gives you a boost. At the end of the day, the 'best career' would be the one where you know what you are doing and you love spending time at the work. To make sure that employers hire you for your talent in programming, you need to give them proof of your work and you can do so by projecting the work you did on your own. You can also get a team of friends together and develop a software and host it somewhere. Next time you go for a job interview, you will feel more confident and will be able to answer to their questions well. All the best.
@uttam shetty • 21 Dec, 2015 I am an MCA graduate. The problem with me is that i dont hate coding but have problems understanding it. Please let me know if there are jobs other than coding.
@Ankita Katdare • 21 Dec, 2015
uttam shetty
I am an MCA graduate. The problem with me is that i dont hate coding but have problems understanding it. Please let me know if there are jobs other than coding.
Oh. There are tons of options, but before you think that we will give you a list of different domains or website links to apply for those jobs, please enlighten us on what are your fields of interest. Towards which subject do you have an inclination? Have you talked to any of the IT people? What kind of work they do? What are prospects for growth in their domain?
You need to figure our what your interest is. And then you need to see how it fits in a MNC.
@silver123 • 23 Dec, 2015 Better you should go for an management job,as you have integrated MBA you will easily get an job in management departments of the software companies.
@Akhila_Lanka • 09 Apr, 2016 @Neeraj Sharma : Is Business intelligence equal to business development executive?

@Neeraj Sharma Is Business Intelligence same as Business development executive?..
@PRIYAMALA • 10 Apr, 2016 • 1 like In computer science engineering field ,coding is the important one.you not consider a coding is a big problem ,it's just a logic one, you take a simple program logic, you see that ,then you write a own coding for that same question and you will get a better idea .
@PRIYAMALA • 10 Apr, 2016 Daily solve a one C program ,then you will get a better idea
@Ankita Katdare • 14 Apr, 2016
Akhila_Lanka
@Neeraj Sharma : Is Business intelligence equal to business development executive?

@Neeraj Sharma Is Business Intelligence same as Business development executive?..
It is more or less the same thing. The name of the post or the designation may vary from one company to another depending upon the nature of the project or company policies.
@anand.jbkp • 19 Aug, 2016 • 1 like I have just completed my B.Tech in Computer Science and Still dont know what are my career goals?
I have been stuck, dont know what's wrong with me?
I have done 6 months training on ASP.NET, still dont know coding properly.
Its just because of my interest that i find coding so boring and dont want to continue.
Has make accounts on naukri.com, shine.com but these guys use to send me only BPO jobs or voice process jobs. What the hell? Am I meant for such things.
I want to achieve some good position but dont know what . Its getting worst day by day.
from 3 months , I am unemployed and is looking for some job and life goals .

please help ...................................
@Kaustubh Katdare • 19 Aug, 2016 • 1 like @anand.jbkp - Welcome to CrazyEngineers. Not many people know what they want from their career; but that doesn't mean you won't have a good career. It's a step by step process of discovering what you really want.

If you wish to opt for a career in IT; your first step should be to find out as much information you can about various types of jobs available in IT. I'm sure you will find a few types interesting - so dig deeper into those. Let's say you find that career as a QA is interesting - so start exploring what are the skills required to become a QA. If you think networking is an interesting field - start looking for skills required by the networking jobs etc. With Internet - a simple search would reveal all the information you are looking for.

Being unemployed isn't a crime; so stop worrying and start preparing with the right mindset. All you need to do is start exploring various opportunities and start 'small'. It's easier to do. Be ready for the hard work and I'm sure you'll do fantastic in your career.

BPO jobs may provide you with temporary financial assistance. If you are in dire need of money, you might just opt for one so that your finances are taken care of. But keep learning in your free time and keep applying for jobs.

PS: We've a new initiative called crazyengineers.io - it aims to solve similar problems for all our fellow engineers. You can create your resume, get it reviewed from industry insider, use the same resume to apply to a job or even discuss your career query with a mentor privately. Start here: Welcome - CrazyEngineers
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I will suggest Ias and IPS which will make your bright future.
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@Kaustubh Katdare • 04 Oct, 2018 • 1 like

I think one of the major problems almost everyone is facing is that they are not really confident of their knowledge even after studying engineering. Most colleges have appointed temporary teachers who aren't interested in teaching. Some even don't know programming on their own!

That's a problem we need to acknowledge. 

Can someone share what exactly is the problem that you are facing with learning programming? I'm curious to find out if there's any way we can fix it.

@Ajay Patel • 16 Oct, 2018

I had completed my btech-CSE in 2k16 and I am unemployed since then.I don't know programming because college teachers treated every student as they know programming stuffs but I was a ZERO as my schooling background doesn't include much of computers and I also just taken programming sunjects as a testpapers of  qualifying nature.So please suggest me whether I should try some non coding jobs or go for management as now I am losing my self confidence very badly and feels that I have become a bundle of negative thoughts.Now i find my life full of waste

@Kaustubh Katdare • 17 Oct, 2018

@Ajay could you tell us what all efforts did you put in towards your career since your graduation? Did you try to learn any new skill, programming language or tool? 

@Swarup Pan • 19 Jan, 2020

If a person is wanting to work in the IT industry after completing his/her B.Tech it's not mandatorily necessary for him/her to be a good coder. In the case of Service-based companies, they provide a very good training program. Where a B.Tech graduate from CS can easily learn and develop coding skills and he/she can be industry-ready.
If the person is not at all interested in 9 to 5 jobs and all MBA or UPSC or Govt. Jobs are the alternative options for them.

@Chebet Sarah • 20 Jan, 2020

Programming does require passion and if you have that kind of passion, it is okay. With Computer Science, you still qualify for any of the below jobs

  • Product/Program manager
  • Project Manager
  • Quality Assurance / Testing
  • Build Engineering
  • System Administrator
  • Technical Sales
  • Technical Writer
  • Business Analyst / Programming Analyst


@Chebet Sarah • 20 Jan, 2020

Programming does require passion and if you have that kind of passion, it is okay. With Computer Science, you still qualify for any of the below jobs

  • Product/Program manager
  • Project Manager
  • Quality Assurance / Testing
  • Build Engineering
  • System Administrator
  • Technical Sales
  • Technical Writer
  • Business Analyst / Programming Analyst


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