How Many of You People are Aware of Air-Run Engines

Air Run Engine sounds interesting. I'm game for it. Tell us everything that you've got 😁

air run engines according to me needs 4,351 psi......thts impossible here for normal assembly.its highly dangerous for us to assemble here...any ways i think ur in someother theory i beleive.so pls let us know.....

sounds real interesting do give some details

crookAir Run Engine sounds interesting. I'm game for it. Tell us everything that you've got 😁

Hey Crook ...Intrest Alone dosent fetch you anything. Dedication must be added to it which helps you acheive anything.. kool 😎

nareshair run engines according to me needs 4,351 psi......thts impossible here for normal assembly.its highly dangerous for us to assemble here...any ways i think ur in someother theory i beleive.so pls let us know.....

Naresh ... You are in a simple guess which anyone with commensense can say, ie." you need to have a hugely compressed air around 4000-6000 psi".. but not just leaving your damn rough guess...but just think about these following things..

😒 Isn't it possible to arrest that pressurized air in a container since pneumatics is currently a hit in the manufacturing industry as the best un conventional M/C Process.

😒 Isn't it great to find a simple engine which has just an inlet and an outlet for air and let the torque be created continuously since all the strokes here will be power strokes..

😒 Try to remind the steam engines which had served us for years for our travelling.... this Air-run is just re-engineering for that only.


Ok Naresh ... Try to find the answers for the above and youcould know how easily it could happen to be realtime success.

zubinbakshisounds real interesting do give some details

If i am not going to give you the information regarding the topic i have started.. you people will kick me out of this board.. But the thing is... how far you people are ought to make a note on it and have a try and give it your level best. merely getting the information fetthces you nothing.. but a discussion is always the best way to learn anything which helps you remind for your lifetime.. ;-)

😛Well This is not a new Thing buddy i have already done a project over by producing electrical Energy throughCompressed air.😎😉

For Every Body on this Net.

RESPECT..................................


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donivamrev😛Well This is not a new Thing buddy i have already done a project over by producing electrical Energy throughCompressed air.
For Every Body on this Net.

Yes Yes Yes.. If i am Buddy You Must be Boss.

Boss, Thats gr8. yu hd a project on ompressed air for some current y coupling i to a generator. gr8. but let me introduce u to this thread.

Air run Generator, the actors you consider n this ????

The power output required, may be to light a bulb or to run a whole institute..

So if its an institute the torque i.e. to be produced ... !!!ow Much??

And then the size of the generator and the windings, .. How many turns.

On the Otherside,

Mechanical Losses in both Enigine and in the generator, Iron Losses & Magnetic Losses ..

As far as an engine is considered ....

( How you are going to maintain the compressed air, how you gonna supply it to the engine, what mechanism you gonna use, how many valves it may have, whatn torque it may produce.... and so on)

This is what this iscussion is for. his is not merely telling that i know this, i had done this.. please help the fellow members, or since u r a master and we are the buddies please tell your considerations and explain your experiences.

Stay in Touch.. MASTER...

Hi Friend (TheBugInYou),
I am 3rd year Mechanical Engg Student .Now I am looking for a project. Pls tell me can u give the project details in Air-Run Engines ?

NidhinkorothHi Friend (TheBugInYou),
I am 3rd year Mechanical Engg Student .Now I am looking for a project. Pls tell me can u give the project details if i provided my knowlege in Air-Run Engines ?

You Are Welcome Dear...

Can i get your email id? ;-)

I request all members to discuss on forums (that's why we all are here 😁 ) . Information discussed here will be available to others as well.

-The Big K-

AIR ENGINES


The Air Car can travel up to 120 miles on one tank of air, costing only $2 to fill, ( or free if you use a solar panel to run a DC motor to your compressor) There are many Gas stations that also do not charge for there air. The only draw back is that this engine is a bit loud! Any gasoline engine can be converted to run on compressed air.

The gas tank will no longer be needed, The Carburetor, exhaust
system and cooling system will also no longer be needed. By using air hoses and homemade electric air selenoid switches ( or see Graingers.com, I think they sell these type of pnumatic air swithches.) We can make this by using air guns connected to HV solenoids. When 120 vdc or 400 vdc of electricity enters the coil it will pull the metal plunger back into the coil and at the same time the metal rod plunger will be pulling down the air valve handle on the air gun or guns. If you make your own homemade Solenoid it is cheaper, I would suggest that you use # 30 copper coated wire with about 800 to 1000 turns around a plastic tube, such as PVC pipe. Your solenoid can be about 5" in length and you will need to glue a 1/2" piece of the same size diameter of your metal rod. when electricity is appllied it will turn this metal into a high power magnet and thus increasing the torque of the pull. The spark plug wire is already timed and gives of about 3,000 vac, which we can use to trigger your solinoid or a HV thryristor switch. another words we can build an elctronic switch using a High voltage Thryristor transistor which can be made to turn on the 120 - 400 vdc power to your HV Solenoid. A Solenoid can be designed or bought to run on the High Voltage / low amperage coming from the Lawn mower spark plug wire. Once your automatic air valve is done and is working well, we will then want to buy a High Efficient Air Compressor Motor. Connect this to the shaft of your lawn mower. Then connect the air output to a 2nd input of your air tank! The motor can now perform work as well as replinish itself with air.
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Pls Tell whether the information i provided is correct or not .If it is correct i will post more 😀

Ple tell How much is the approximate cost of this project?😒

yo i will tell u tht this project is to just create pollution somewhere else!
so for compressing air , u may need compressors to work on electricity and to make electricity , u will need , something called generating , now there is pollution , so it will create huge pollution! according to me.!

NidhinkorothCan i get your email id? ;-)

pm me man instead

I have been following this thread since long. Looking forward to further updates!!

What the hell?

Dude, theBuginYou! Are you serious are horsing around? Yes a few of us do know what air-run engines are and I just saw one today on youtube and its working is an amazing idea but but but CMON!!!

If you are interested in this then get some information like when was it first made and who made it and where (ITALY, yes first produced in italy) and then why dont we use a normal engine (It will blowup on your face thats why) and what are the major design changes in the new engine! Post this info here.

Things like this so that the people who read this post can actually contribute something...and help each other...

So cmon, you are the one who started this thread so lead us now! And dont worry about people asking for the whole "Project" idea, it will take them 10 years of commonman salery to actually fund the project...and construct an engine from scratch.

How it works​

This engines have attracted much curiosity and prompted many questions. For various reasons, one of which is industrial secrecy, we haven´t published all technical details on this site.

However, over the coming months, just before we begin serial production, we´ve decided to reproduce an unprecedented amount of information and data on the famous "MDI Air Car".

After ten years of research and development of pollution-free engines and cars powered by compressed air, MDI is proud to present:



This way, enough time is given to create the pressure in the cylinder. The torque is also better so the force exerted on the crankshaft is less substantial than in a classic system.



Gear changes are automatic, powered by an electronic system developed by MDI. A computer which controls the speed of the car is effectively continuously changing gears . The latest of many previous versions, this gearbox achieves the objective of seamless changes and mimimal energy consumption.

Moto-alternator
The moto-alternator connects the engine to the gearbox. It has many functions:
It supports the CAT´s motor to allow the tanks to be refilled.
As an alternator it produces brake power
It starts the vehicle and provides extra power when necessary.
mileage and general running
Much has been said and written about the mileage of our vehicles and there has generally been a lot of unfounded speculation about the use of compressed air.

We have never claimed that the thermodynamic graphs of our engines would be adiabatic (nor are they isothermic). Mileage presents no problem - the volume and pressure of air in the car can be increased considerably. (by changing the tank size or the air pressure). The data published at this link, should help to re-establish the truth and give definitive information on these two points.


An exclusive technology for truly clean vehicles:
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A range of pollution-free vehicles
Innovative industrialization and commercialization concepts
Zero-pollution urban transportation concept
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Distribution and valves
To ensure smooth running and to opitimize energy efficiency, our engines use a simple electromagnetic distribution system which controls the flow of air into the engine.


The basic principles of the CAT´s 34 Engine

This engine was developed between the end of 2001 and the beginning of 2002. It uses an innovative system to control the movement of the 2nd generation pistons and one single crankshaft. The pistons work in two stages: one motor stage and one intermediate stage of compression/expansion.

The engine has 4 two-stage pistons, i.e. 8 compression and/or expansion chambers. They have two functions: to compress ambient air and refill the storage tanks; and to make successive expansions (reheating air with ambient thermal energy) thereby approaching isothermic expansion.




Its flywheel is equipped with a 5kW electric moto-alternator. This motor is simultaneously:
the motor to compress air
the starting motor
the alternator for recharging the battery
an electric moderator/brake
a temporary power supply (e.g. for parking)
No clutch is necessary. The engine is idle when the car is stationary and the vehicle is started by the magnetic plate which re-engages the compressed air. Parking manoeuvres are powered by the electric motor.

The CAT´s 34 P04 engine is equipped with patented variable-volume butts and a dynamic variable-volume volumetric reducer.


The dual energy system

The Series 34 CAT´s engines can be equipped with and run on dual energies - fossil fuels and compressed air - and incorporate a reheating mechanism (a continuous combustion system, easily controlled to minimize pollution) between the storage tank and the engine.

This mechanism allows the engine to run exclusively on fossil fuel which permits compatible autonomy on the road.

While the car is running on fossil fuel, the compressor refills the compressed air tanks. The control system maintains a zero-pollution emission in the city at speeds up to 60 km/h.

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AS PER MY PROMISE HERE IS THE 3D ANIMATION VIDEO OF THE ENGINE WORKING....
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FOR ANYMORE DOUBTS AND CLARIFICATIONS FEEL FREE TO ASK ME...
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You may have a Working Demo Video Here....
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Hi
I Want To Know How Air Run Engine Works
If U Can Give Me Some Technical Information About This Engine
And If U Know Something About Six Stroke Engine
Please -please Tell Me

gr8....

I am trying to design this as my engg. project.😒

anybody knw hw much is the estimated cost of this project?

I am inviting all engineers for the further discussion of this thread....😁

Nidhinkorothgr8....

I am trying to design this as my engg. project.😒

anybody knw hw much is the estimated cost of this project?

I am inviting all engineers for the further discussion of this thread....😁

Kool da
The Estimated Cost may range between 4-7 Lakhs for designig a single cylinder 50mm Bore Dia Engine. Its due to the new designing of the crank and pistonheads.

4-7 lakhs..........😔😔

Do u have any other project idea ?

I forgot to tell....

My group selected this as our engg project . Both min project and main project .

There are 8 members in my team . Divided into 2 groups (4+4) .

Mini Project

The first group going to conduct a feasibility study about the engine and air compressor .

The second group designing the engine based on this study.

Main Project

combining the above 2 result and fabrication 😁😁


So we need help abt technical ideas.

I will update this section regularly with our results..

Hope all of you help us....

Lets start and design a air run engine....

Hey...(TheBugInYou)

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As you said earlier,

.....This engines have attracted much curiosity and prompted many questions. For various reasons, one of which is industrial secrecy, we haven´t published all technical details on this site.......

It is not possible to discuss everything here .

Please give ur gmail or email id

Waiting for reply...

One happy new....

Our project going well...

Our feasibility study over 😁😁😁


Thanks for all supporters

Nice Nik!!!

Gr8

You had your Feasability Test naa..


I had A Few Q??stions For you..

1) What have you done for testing its feasability?
2) Did you make any prototype model of your so said engine!
3) Did you have CAE aka analsis using any of the softwares like Pro/E or ANSYS ??

Moreover this is a public discussion board and everybody here were one's who are enusiastic to know more than what they read from books. So please don't say i DID, Do show us and let others know.

hiiiii
I am a new commer here but interested in these projects
I have once heard about this that somebody run a scooter with compressed air but i thought that this might be possibe only when the engine possesses a very high compression ratio and for this normal engines design is insufficient as stresses produced on the parts will also be very high

hiiiii
I am a new commer here but interested in these projects
I have once heard about this that somebody run a scooter with compressed air but i thought that this might be possibe only when the engine possesses a very high compression ratio and for this normal engines design is insufficient as stresses produced on the parts will also be very high

rishisolankihiiiii

rishisolankiI am a new commer here but interested in these projects
I have once heard about this that somebody run a scooter with compressed air but i thought that this might be possibe only when the engine possesses a very high compression ratio and for this normal engines design is insufficient as stresses produced on the parts will also be very high

You r Right...
Have you gone through the video link i posted along with the Design...

Once have a look at it and then continue reading this......
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1) I accept that higher compression ratios are required to make an engine run with compressed air....
Thats is the reason why the designer had introduced the concept of Articulated Quick Return Connecting Rod.....

This helps the Secondary Piston(Smaller) to reach its BDC lately and TDC quickly....
So here the introduction of the secondary piston helps the engine to utilize more and more compressed air energy before it exhausts.

2) Your Next Doubt is Regarding Price of the Items.

Dude, Nickle-Cadnium Alloys are being prefered for this design from my side. So by the analysis of the engine using different alloys... we may attain a suitable material for that. So no need to worry about that When Batch Production is once started.


GUYZ THINK AS HARDER AS YOU CAN...THERE ARE SEVERAL KEY POINTS NEED TO BE SORTED OUT FROM THIS DESIGN. TRY TO FIND OUT THE MISTAKES OUT FROM THIS DESIGN AND TRY TO SUGGEST A REMEDY FOR THAT IF YOU CAN. I WILL BE IN THIS DISCUSSION FOREVER FOR YOU PEOPLE.



I AM SORRY TO SAY THIS THAT I WILL BE OUT OF STATION FROM 7[sup]TH[/sup] TO 11[sup]TH[/sup] OF THIS MONTH FOR ATTENDING AN INTERVIEW AT PUNE FOR TATA MOTORS R&D VACENCIES. ITS MY DREAM TO GET IN TO A COMPANY LIKE TATA WHICH HAS GOST THE BEST EQUIPMENT FOR THE DESIGN AND ANALYSIS OF NEW ENGINES AND BODY PERFORMANCES BEFORE THEY WERE ON ROAD. ​
😒😒😒😒PLEASE PRAY FOR ME BROTHER !!!!😒😒😒😒​

Hello to everyone, I am new in this forum.

I know for sure that couple of years ago (maybe some more dont remember) there was an initiative and a proposal based on a prototype from France.
The concept was about a compressed air driven vehicle quite small for city rides. If I find the link in my files I ll post it here.

There is a company located in Greece which is doing applied research and has already moved towards the compressed air concept for power production plus heating-cooling services at the residential level. The scale up should not be a problem, however, there is yet not a prototype since the cost for all parts would be around 3M euros and the local authorities are more keen in playing with lignite (so so stupid).
Anyway, for you that want to see more: google it: daedalus or Biretscor project.

ok, here we are:

From France:

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Dear Thermal.....

This is a discussion Board. Not a links Archive. Please let all know the drawbacks of the model proposed for MDI. Merely searching through Google and posting the results dosen't fetch that much to anyone.

Take it Lite........

hi
please post the project details .....

hey
i am not clear about this i have read all of the material given here but all the materials sounds very confusing

NidhinkorothI forgot to tell....

My group selected this as our engg project . Both min project and main project .

There are 8 members in my team . Divided into 2 groups (4+4) .

Mini Project

The first group going to conduct a feasibility study about the engine and air compressor .

The second group designing the engine based on this study.

Main Project

combining the above 2 result and fabrication 😁😁


So we need help abt technical ideas.

I will update this section regularly with our results..

Hope all of you help us....

Lets start and design a air run engine....

U might have done everything but yet it will not serve the purpose of this forum u need to tell what u have done and also i u have some material then surely we can give our email address

its intresting , but for compressing air we need air compressor , genrator n a electricity to run motor so its little difficult to obtain .but we r CRAZY we can do it

Dear Nitin.............

Don't try to use the word CRAZY as much as you can but Try to think as crazy as you can...
Just Joking.

And this is what you are thinking, that you need electricity. But... This is a concept where the compressed air is being stored in a tank and then it is utilized all the way. So no Generator,or electricity needed. OK ????????

Dear Rishi,..........

Fine fine. Even i am confused by your reply. please let me know what made you that confused.

please help me understand the basic cycle of the engine in steps like suction compression in this way
can somebody help me??

dnt know... tell me more..............

hi..alll

Air - run engines...on wht principal these work...
and whats the concept behind this all?

Hi friendz......


Me back to this forum. Last month i was busy with my project and her i am attaching some videos of my project....


Plz post your comments abt this video here.....(Its taken from my mobile phone...I will upload a quality video later)

Enjoy.....😁

Videos :

https://www.enggrus.com/forum/v-download/f-airengine1_6710.3gp/

https://www.enggrus.com/forum/v-download/f-airengine2_7413.3gp/

https://www.enggrus.com/forum/v-download/f-airengine3_3666.3gp/

https://www.enggrus.com/forum/v-download/f-airengine4_8328.3gp/

NidhinkorothVideos :

https://www.enggrus.com/forum/v-download/f-airengine1_6710.3gp/

https://www.enggrus.com/forum/v-download/f-airengine2_7413.3gp/

https://www.enggrus.com/forum/v-download/f-airengine3_3666.3gp/

https://www.enggrus.com/forum/v-download/f-airengine4_8328.3gp/

How about posting them on YouTube?