Gas Telescope Lend Need a volunteer team to change astronomy for ever

Fordy McFord · 2018-10-06T21:30:30+00:00

Hi, I recently found out there were experiments on a gas lens but the tech then disappeared..Im building one and the first step is # 1 metre length of steel pipe that needs to spin on its horrizontal accessThe Experiment spins a pipe that needs to be heated, the gas (experiment used ambient air) spins with the tube creating a well which acts as a lens, the faster or slower the spin determines the well( focusI recently got a creepy phone call from physicist saying it had military applications but did not work properly , it never got time to be fine tuned it just disappeared..Long scary pauseI found this after i had gotten information from military of a more advanced version im still trying to work out, its said to have the ability to see dark matterPlease join me on facebook page for talksGas Lens

Gas Telescope Lend Need a volunteer team to change astronomy for ever

Fordy McFord
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Updated: Oct 6, 2018

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Hi, I recently found out there were experiments on a gas lens but the tech then disappeared..
Im building one and the first step is
# 1 metre length of steel pipe that needs to spin on its horrizontal access
The Experiment spins a pipe that needs to be heated, the gas (experiment used ambient air) spins with the tube creating a well which acts as a lens, the faster or slower the spin determines the well( focus
I recently got a creepy phone call from physicist saying it had military applications but did not work properly , it never got time to be fine tuned it just disappeared..
Long scary pause
I found this after i had gotten information from military of a more advanced version im still trying to work out, its said to have the ability to see dark matter

Please join me on facebook page for talks
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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 7, 2018

The physics is all wonky. The article says that the differential refractive index of the hot gas acts as a lens to focus light. First of all light or any electromagnetic radiation cannot pass through a metal tube. Secondly no focusing is possible if the tube is of uniform diameter.
I am afraid that this is a scam or the article is not giving the correct information.
It cannot work as specified in the post.

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 7, 2018

Read it a litty closer mate, the gas is spun by the tube and forms a well in the centre that acts as a lens, ??? Light passing through metal??? The tube acts a telescope body and the gas forms a curvature within gas being spun...
Sorry but are you a engineer

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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 7, 2018

I have located an article in â€˜natureâ€™, which describes a different kind of gas lens. Unfortunately I cannot get the full article. Thereâ€™s no mention of rotating heated tubes or such.
I shall try to get the article through a library and revert if there appears to be a way forward.
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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 7, 2018

Yep i have that one, the original one had a stationary one which was fed gas and exhausted gas

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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 7, 2018

I have located an article in â€˜natureâ€™, which describes a different kind of gas lens. Unfortunately I cannot get the full article. Thereâ€™s no mention of rotating heated tubes or such.
I shall try to get the article through a library and revert if there appears to be a way forward.
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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 7, 2018

Why a tube? Why not a paddle?
If the gas is in a (cylindrical?) container and the spinning heated tube is central to the container, it may act like a magnetic stirrer in a beaker and create a vortex. Unless there is a gradient of refractive index across the diameter of the container, how is focusing achieved?

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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 7, 2018

I apologise. Some further study shows that a heated tube spinning on its axis with a cold gas admitted into it can act like a positive lens with an aperture the diameter of the tube.
A quarter inch dia 5 inch long CO_2Âlens is described here:
<a href="https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6773549/figures#figures" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Analysis of a tubular gas lens | Nokia Bell Labs Journals & Magazine | IEEE Xplore</a>
How well this can be adapted to celestial imaging has to be seen.

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 7, 2018

Vortex incomplete, that cup shape produced in centre (from vortex) is the refractor, speed of pipe rotation determines focus

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 7, 2018

All i need to start the experiment is some plans on a design to be able to rotate the pipe at speed while keeping vibration down

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 7, 2018

I was thinking direct drive but i want temperatures of pipe to be able to withstand 200 degrees Celsius, so it might be twin chain driven

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 7, 2018

The funny thing is that i found this version after being told of a leak of a much more advanced version with huuuugggge implications but i cant find any open minded people, scammers have destroyed our trust in the world

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 7, 2018

I dont want money i want answers, i do it Of my own back

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 7, 2018

I think its not for celestial imaging exactly as far as I know, Dark matter

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 7, 2018

Something about the 3 quantum forces coming together

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Fordy McFord

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<a href="http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0038-23532008000400009" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">The spinning pipe gas lens revisited</a>

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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 7, 2018

What if you mount long bar magnets parallel to the axis and drive with a rotating magnetic field? You can perhaps think of air bearings on the ends to avoid vibrations. Since it is essentially just the tube weight this maybe feasible.
Alternatively, you can perhaps adopt a regular motor design with a hollow shaft which houses your tube. The catch is heating the tube. If nichrome tubes are available, it should be possible to get controlled heating using rotary brush contacts at the ends.

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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 7, 2018

Various types of hollow shaft pan cake motors are available in the market.
<a href="https://www.google.co.in/search?client=safari&hl=en-in&ei=Vu65W7HCJ9DtrQGT_ZawAQ&ins=false&q=hollow+shaft+pancake+motor&oq=hollow+shaft+pan&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.2.0l2j0i22i30j33i160l2.23913.30217..35176...0.0..0.171.1717.1j13......0....1.........0i71j35i39j33i22i29i30j33i21j0i13j0i13i30j0i20i263j0i67.yCy2SQ15loE#imgrc=rPXw1_t1UzL1ZM:" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">hollow shaft pancake motor - Google Search</a>

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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 7, 2018

I may be talking through my hat. It depends a lot on the size of the tube

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 7, 2018

Yeah I thought of the motor one but im thinking of using atleast a 100mm tube

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 7, 2018

??? Not sure if im missing something with your magnet idea, mag temps mostly max out at 170 degrees Celsius

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 7, 2018

Im told i think gravity is not a force and its part of electromagnetic force i think

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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 7, 2018

Thanks for the SA paper. I had only seen the abstract in my earlier search. I had a cursory look. Whatever CFD I was involved in was for flow of blood through artificial heart valves. I have to pass on the SPGL bit.
What size tube you are considering?

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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 10, 2018

An axial gap motor may be useful:
<a href="https://www.machinedesign.com/motion-control/engineering-essentials-basics-axial-gap-motors?Issue=MACD-001_20181009_MACD-001_997&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_1_b&utm_rid=CPG05000000559845&utm_campaign=20518&utm_medium=email&elq2=65c9fe945ccc46a9b62e654fadbc5e62" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">StackPath</a>

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Fordy McFord

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 19, 2018

In first picture of stationary heated pipe you get some sort of multidimensional hologram, second picture i spin the tube by hand and anomaly starts forming into disc lens shape?????
What is this dimensional shape appearing, is that normal, if I could post video you could see like a floating multi dimensional cloud

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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 20, 2018

Sorry, but unable to view the pictures.

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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 20, 2018

One can look at a version of air powered Pelton wheel drive with the shaft as a 100 mm hollow shaft.
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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 21, 2018

Thanks, i have made progress, can we connect on Facebook
They are using the mirage effect mechanically

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Fordy McFord

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Temperature is in between 35-50 degrees Celsius

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