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@Kaustubh Katdare • 03 Jul, 2006 • 5 likes
So you always envied your colleague who types without looking at the keyboard? You always thought life would have been much better if you had joined a typing class. You thought your productivity would skyrocket if you knew you could ‘think’ while your fingers did all the typing…

Well, my friend, I’ll tell you all the secrets of rapid typing. I didn’t join any typing course in my life. But yes, I can type very fast! Without looking at the keyboard! I’ll share some self-invented tips for improving your typing speed…

Update: Download PDF Version Of This Tutorial From Resources Section

..::Improve Your Typing Speed::..

Now, no mega promises. I don’t have a magic pill which will boost your typing speed after reading this article. So, read at your own risk. I suggest that you read the following article if and only if you have the ‘desire’ to work on your typing speed. Nothing will happen unless you have the desire.

Tip#1 : Position your fingers
I know you have been looking at your keyboard for years. But did you ever observe the keys ‘F’ & ‘J’ ? Did you ever wonder what’s so special with them? Did you ever question the presence of a tiny notch on those keys?

Don’t worry. Those keys are your reference keys. Have a look at the ‘number pad’ on the right hand side of keyboard. ‘5’ is the reference key. Right? Now use your ‘index’ fingers to locate ‘F’ & ‘J’ keys; of course, without looking at the keyboard. Put the other fingers respectively - starting with the little finger of left hand on ‘A’ . The little finger of the right hand on the ‘ ;’ key. I hope you have positioned your hands properly. Both the thumbs should be rested on the space bar.

Tip#2 : Learn how to press the keys
Well, don’t smile. This is an important tip. Now, decide which finger will press what key. For example, I press ‘Y’ with the index finger of left hand and ‘U’ with the index finger of right hand. You better know what’s comfortable for you.

Do you know that you can change the case by pressing shift + key. That is, if you want to type ‘A‘, you need to press shift (hold) & a. Here’s how to do it-

For the keys pressed using left hand, press the shift key using little finger of right hand & vice-versa. Confused? Let’s take an example. To type a capital ‘A’, I press key ‘A’ by little finger of left hand while holding the ‘shift’ key by little finger of right hand.

Read above paragraph again if you didn’t understand.

Tip#3 : Remembering the keyboard
Easy! This is not a spoiler. Eventually you are going to remember the keyboard. Surprisingly, you won’t even realize that you remember the keyboard. To start with, a little trouble to your brain -

Have a look at keyboard. ‘E’ & ‘R’ are adjacent. ‘M’ comes just below the index finger of your right hand. Do memorize the location of these keys ‘P’, ‘O’, ‘C’, ‘V’.

Tip#4 : How to practice
Just 10 minutes for next 10 days. I bet you’ll type rapidly and without looking at keyboard. At least you will impress yourself.

- Take an article from newspaper or magazine and fire up your notepad. You may use an online article too. Its totally up to you.

- Read a complete sentence and try to type it on your notepad without looking at keyboard. Refer Tips 1-2-3 if you need.

- Initially, you will feel like looking at the keyboard. Don’t cheat yourself.

- Feel the sense of urgency. Try to type as if you will win a Billion dollars if you type it in shortest possible time. Give it a try, it does a magic.

- Easy on typos. Don’t worry about typos. You will make less mistakes once you feel comfortable typing without looking at keyboard. Most text processors will aid you by auto correcting your typos.

A little trouble for next 10 days will change the way you use your computer, forever! Do share your success/failure story with us in this thread.

-The Big K-
@Anil Jain • 03 Jul, 2006
The_Big_K
..::Improve Your Typing Speed::..


-The Big K-
Biggi a better way is to download the free typing software ....and do practice...just kidding
By the way good try...

Keep the spirit high...

--crazy
@Kaustubh Katdare • 03 Jul, 2006 reality check

Well,

Do a reality check. How many of us really improved typing speed using a typing software? I have used a typing software too, but found that it doesn't really help.

Let me assure you that my 10-day-typing-wonder tips do work 😀 . I'd recommend that you use above tips while practicing using your typing software.

Our aim is to produce CEans with rapid typing skills .

-The Big K-
@Anil Jain • 04 Jul, 2006
The_Big_K
Well,

Do a reality check. How many of us really improved typing speed using a typing software? I have used a typing software too, but found that it doesn't really help.

Let me assure you that my 10-day-typing-wonder tips do work 😀 . I'd recommend that you use above tips while practicing using your typing software.

Our aim is to produce CEans with rapid typing skills .

-The Big K-
This is why we say you biggi of all
--Crazy
@Jerry • 04 Jul, 2006 Nice work big k. I do know the tips but i am really lazy to try it out. will give it a shot for sure. 😎
@Kaustubh Katdare • 05 Jul, 2006 thanks

Sure, I'll be looking forward to your success stories. Practice is the key 😒 !

Btw, please feel free to add your tips in the same thread. That will make this thread more useful ( [​IMG] ) ( [​IMG] )

-The Big K-
@rick • 05 Jul, 2006 Biggieee 😁 !

KP typing tutor is a free typing tutor software. Use it along with biggie's tips! 😁

anyways the notepad and magazine tip worked for me 😎

RICK
@crook • 06 Jul, 2006 good job

Hi everyone! i am using a typing software and i can type without looking at keyboard. but i will have to work on my typos 😔 .

anyone has tips for avoiding typos while typing?
@Kaustubh Katdare • 12 Jul, 2006 Compare

While surfing the net, I came across this wonderful site which allows you to compare your typing speed against others -

https://typera.tk/

The tests are super and I'd encourage you to take one yourself. Do not forget to post your score in this thread -

I scored 251 today. Not bad, eh?

-The Big K-
@Neha • 14 Aug, 2006 Mine was 142...need to improve
@Kaustubh Katdare • 14 Aug, 2006 Sure! Follow Big K's typing tips !

-The Big K-
@Kaustubh Katdare • 26 Sep, 2006 Success stories

Any success ( / failure ) stories ?

Let your comments, feedback flood in. If you want to add to the tips, feel free to reply to this thread !

-The Big K-
@Anil Jain • 26 Sep, 2006
The_Big_K
While surfing the net, I came across this wonderful site which allows you to compare your typing speed against others -

https://typera.tk/

The tests are super and I'd encourage you to take one yourself. Do not forget to post your score in this thread -

I scored 251 today. Not bad, eh?

-The Big K-
I stroked keyboard 200 times....

--crazy
@Kaustubh Katdare • 15 Oct, 2006
crazyboy
I stroked keyboard 200 times....

--crazy
Good for you, CrazyBoy 😉

I'm sure many among us have tips to share. Let them flood in!

-The Big K-
@Prasad Ajinkya • 20 Oct, 2006 • 1 like I would suggest do a lot of chatting. It sure helps!! No kidding...
@Kaustubh Katdare • 27 Oct, 2006
kidakaka
I would suggest do a lot of chatting. It sure helps!! No kidding...
Not always. The key is to develop sense of urgency. I encourage everyone to go through the tips carefully and follow them whenever using the keyboard. 10 days is all it takes! 😁

-The Big K-
@srams • 16 May, 2007 Hey ppl, I used to type the text by seeing the keyboard .. I dont have the right positioning of my fingers... As i go on typing , Sometimes i will type the things without seeing the keyboard but when i realise suddenly i'm typing the text without watching the keyboard i'll lose the rythm.... Have to use some typing softwares to get things straight.. moreover i can't type faster when i sit in some other keyboard which have other dimensions than mine.... 😔

thanks for the links given ... will try that soon and let you know my speed ...


Info: I joined the typing class some 6yrs back... but i could never complete the couse coz i had some pretty girls sitting in front of me..... ;-)
@Rocker • 19 May, 2007
srams
Hey ppl, I used to type the text by seeing the keyboard .. I dont have the right positioning of my fingers... As i go on typing , Sometimes i will type the things without seeing the keyboard but when i realise suddenly i'm typing the text without watching the keyboard i'll lose the rythm.... Have to use some typing softwares to get things straight.. moreover i can't type faster when i sit in some other keyboard which have other dimensions than mine.... 😔

thanks for the links given ... will try that soon and let you know my speed ...


Info: I joined the typing class some 6yrs back... but i could never complete the couse coz i had some pretty girls sitting in front of me..... ;-)
Use instant messengers a lot. It helps. 😉
@ankitvirmani • 08 Jun, 2007 tried it for teh first time-pretty bad-just 142...lots to be done.
@AlameluKrishnan • 15 Jun, 2007 What I have seen with my little experience is that we never realise we are not good in this unless and until we try it out and the number is before us to see.......... but anyway this is a good start and I am sure anyone can be a master with a little regular practice......... what say?
@Elisa • 17 Jun, 2007
AlameluKrishnan
What I have seen with my little experience is that we never realise we are not good in this unless and until we try it out and the number is before us to see.......... but anyway this is a good start and I am sure anyone can be a master with a little regular practice......... what say?
Lot of instant messaging helps. The tips are useful. Thanks!
@shekar_vlsi • 21 Jun, 2007 Go to rapidshared.org and then search for typing tutorial something like advanced speed typing which is pretty much interactive. one more thing it will be a full cracked version. U can also get many appz from that site note that it is .org and not .com

😁
@Kaustubh Katdare • 21 Jun, 2007
shekar_vlsi
Go to rapidshared.org and then search for typing tutorial something like advanced speed typing which is pretty much interactive. one more thing it will be a full cracked version. U can also get many appz from that site note that it is .org and not .com

😁
Should we be really using cracked version of any software? This is a different issue altogether and I personally request all CEans not to use Cracked Software.

There are lot of free tutorials/software available on the Internet.

-The Big K-
@garcia1.icon • 23 Feb, 2011 Hay Big K thanks a lot!!!!! U know I feel shame in front of my colleague to type a sentence as I work for Non voice process typing plays very big role in my work. I had a typing speed of 47wpm but no use I see keyword while typing, all my friends use to tease me. But once when I read your thread, i don't know whether you believe me or not I started follow your tips the next exactly after 15 to 17 days I am typing without seeing the keyboard. Trust me I typed this reply also without seeing my keyboard.
Thanks you thanks very much...................
@Kaustubh Katdare • 23 Feb, 2011
garcia1.icon
Hay Big K thanks a lot!!!!! U know I feel shame in front of my colleague to type a sentence as I work for Non voice process typing plays very big role in my work. I had a typing speed of 47wpm but no use I see keyword while typing, all my friends use to tease me. But once when I read your thread, i don't know whether you believe me or not I started follow your tips the next exactly after 15 to 17 days I am typing without seeing the keyboard. Trust me I typed this reply also without seeing my keyboard.
Thanks you thanks very much...................
Good to see that you've improved your typing skill! 😀 Makes me feel happy! 😀
@ISHAN TOPRE • 23 Feb, 2011 Nice tips biggie,Will definitely try 😀
@ISHAN TOPRE • 08 Jul, 2011 I had earlier read that Biggie (see the date of my above reply) but never tried that hard. Let me try and I will report of any improvement I make. 😀
@ISHAN TOPRE • 18 Jul, 2011 Blimey! I can type without looking at keyboard. 😁
@Kaustubh Katdare • 18 Jul, 2011
ishutopre
Blimey! I can type without looking at keyboard. 😁
Way to go 👍
@PraveenKumar Purushothaman • 18 Jul, 2011 Guys... Wanna share my personal experience of how I learnt typing without seeing. I started chatting with friends in orkut during my third year in college. By that chat I got used to the typing. 😛
@Harshad Italiya • 19 Jul, 2011 I just test this site and here is my result :-

Your score: 115 keys per minute ~ 23 words per minute
@PraveenKumar Purushothaman • 19 Jul, 2011 Yay!!! 147 kpm!!! 😛
@Anoop Mathew • 19 Jul, 2011
The_Big_K
So you always envied your colleague who types without looking at the keyboard? You always thought life would have been much better if you had joined a typing class. You thought your productivity would skyrocket if you knew you could ‘think’ while your fingers did all the typing…

Well, my friend, I’ll tell you all the secrets of rapid typing. I didn’t join any typing course in my life. But yes, I can type very fast! Without looking at the keyboard! I’ll share some self-invented tips for improving your typing speed…

..::Improve Your Typing Speed::..

Now, no mega promises. I don’t have a magic pill which will boost your typing speed after reading this article. So, read at your own risk. I suggest that you read the following article if and only if you have the ‘desire’ to work on your typing speed. Nothing will happen unless you have the desire.

Tip#1 : Position your fingers
I know you have been looking at your keyboard for years. But did you ever observe the keys ‘F’ & ‘J’ ? Did you ever wonder what’s so special with them? Did you ever question the presence of a tiny notch on those keys?

Don’t worry. Those keys are your reference keys. Have a look at the ‘number pad’ on the right hand side of keyboard. ‘5’ is the reference key. Right? Now use your ‘index’ fingers to locate ‘F’ & ‘J’ keys; of course, without looking at the keyboard. Put the other fingers respectively - starting with the little finger of left hand on ‘A’ . The little finger of the right hand on the ‘ ;’ key. I hope you have positioned your hands properly. Both the thumbs should be rested on the space bar.

Tip#2 : Learn how to press the keys
Well, don’t smile. This is an important tip. Now, decide which finger will press what key. For example, I press ‘Y’ with the index finger of left hand and ‘U’ with the index finger of right hand. You better know what’s comfortable for you.

Do you know that you can change the case by pressing shift + key. That is, if you want to type ‘A‘, you need to press shift (hold) & a. Here’s how to do it-

For the keys pressed using left hand, press the shift key using little finger of right hand & vice-versa. Confused? Let’s take an example. To type a capital ‘A’, I press key ‘A’ by little finger of left hand while holding the ‘shift’ key by little finger of right hand.

Read above paragraph again if you didn’t understand.

Tip#3 : Remembering the keyboard
Easy! This is not a spoiler. Eventually you are going to remember the keyboard. Surprisingly, you won’t even realize that you remember the keyboard. To start with, a little trouble to your brain -

Have a look at keyboard. ‘E’ & ‘R’ are adjacent. ‘M’ comes just below the index finger of your right hand. Do memorize the location of these keys ‘P’, ‘O’, ‘C’, ‘V’.

Tip#4 : How to practice
Just 10 minutes for next 10 days. I bet you’ll type rapidly and without looking at keyboard. At least you will impress yourself.

- Take an article from newspaper or magazine and fire up your notepad. You may use an online article too. Its totally up to you.

- Read a complete sentence and try to type it on your notepad without looking at keyboard. Refer Tips 1-2-3 if you need.

- Initially, you will feel like looking at the keyboard. Don’t cheat yourself.

- Feel the sense of urgency. Try to type as if you will win a Billion dollars if you type it in shortest possible time. Give it a try, it does a magic.

- Easy on typos. Don’t worry about typos. You will make less mistakes once you feel comfortable typing without looking at keyboard. Most text processors will aid you by auto correcting your typos.

A little trouble for next 10 days will change the way you use your computer, forever! Do share your success/failure story with us in this thread.

-The Big K-
Well, Biggie, with respect to the company requirements, is it alright to type fast even while seeing the keyboard?

I've got a practice with this technique that my dad taught me.:

asdfgf ;lkhj asdfgf ;lkjhj adsfgf ;lkjhj adsfgf ;lkjhj adsfgf ;lkjhj

qwertr poiuyu qwertr poiuyu qwertr poiuyu qwertr poiuyu qwertr poiuyu

zxcvbv /.,mnm zxcvbv /.,mnm zxcvbv /.,mnm zxcvbv /.,mnm and keep doing that along with some sentence patterns and finally the a-z and z-a pattern

It's quite helpful.
@Sahithi Pallavi • 19 Jul, 2011 I haven't noticed this thread.

Nothing to say, because I did my Higher in Typing course.

I just tried that software -- 324 keys per minute ~ 45 words per minute
Lack of practice. Have to improve a lot.
@ISHAN TOPRE • 19 Jul, 2011 @Sahithi: Which software?
@Sahithi Pallavi • 19 Jul, 2011 Re: Compare

This one 😀

The_Big_K
While surfing the net, I came across this wonderful site which allows you to compare your typing speed against others -

TyperA - test your typing skills

The tests are super and I'd encourage you to take one yourself. Do not forget to post your score in this thread -

I scored 251 today. Not bad, eh?

-The Big K-
@ShrinkDWorld • 19 Jul, 2011 I suggest practice in dark room! It is very hard to see keyboard in screen light so it automatically increase your typing speed. This is my method. Try it & tell me how is it.
Again while typing always use proper finger for respective key. Initially it is hard & boring but results come after practice.
@Kaustubh Katdare • 19 Jul, 2011 I just took the test my result is as follows -

352 keys per minute ~ 70 words per minute
@PraveenKumar Purushothaman • 19 Jul, 2011
The_Big_K
For example, I press ‘Y’ with the index finger of left hand and ‘U’ with the index finger of right hand.
Hey Biggie!!! T with Index finger of left and Y with Index finger of right na? 😐 Confused! 😔
@Kaustubh Katdare • 19 Jul, 2011 It entirely depends on what you find comfortable. I press 'y' with index finger of left hand. 😀
@Sahithi Pallavi • 19 Jul, 2011
The_Big_K
It entirely depends on what you find comfortable. I press 'y' with index finger of left hand. 😀
ha ha.. Why 'Y' with left hand? Generally we press 'U', 'Y' with index finger of the Right hand and 'R', 'T' with index finer of the Left hand. 😀

Seems you got habituated for that And you are too good and too fast 😀
@PraveenKumar Purushothaman • 19 Jul, 2011 • 1 like Yeah, agreed. But I meant the convention...
QWER(T) (Y)UIOP
ASDF(G) (H)JKL;
ZXCV(B) (N)M,./
This is the convention right? Just asking... 😛
@Sahithi Pallavi • 19 Jul, 2011 Yes, you are right Praveen.
@PraveenKumar Purushothaman • 19 Jul, 2011
sahithi pallavi
Yes, you are right Praveen.
Ha ha... I didn't notice you posted something. I said this for Biggie and well, you too read it... 😁 He he... 😀
@Kaustubh Katdare • 20 Jul, 2011 We don't need no rules.
@lovejeet • 20 Jul, 2011 mine's speed is 45 words per minute.........................
@ISHAN TOPRE • 20 Jul, 2011 it is true that I can type without looking at key board but my speed has reduced as compared to when I would look at key board. It will only take some more time and patience to achive a respectable speed.

Besides, thanks Sahithi and biggie 😀
@PraveenKumar Purushothaman • 20 Jul, 2011 Dude, try spending more free time in the system for just typing... That too natural stuff, not copying things... 😀
@sinduja krishnan • 10 Jun, 2012 • 1 like Lemme try dis to improve ma typing speed ..............thanks
@Kaustubh Katdare • 10 Jun, 2012 • 1 like
sinduja krishnan
Lemme try dis to improve ma typing speed ..............thanks
Well, avoid using short cuts of words. So, try - "Let Me" instead of 'lemme', 'this' instead of 'this', 'my' instead of 'ma' 😀
@aarthivg • 11 Jun, 2012 I have completed the typewriting course. My typewriting speed decreases when I look at the key board and type😳.
@Anoop Kumar • 11 Jun, 2012 Start with Typing software course and then try never to look @ keyboard while typing, just let your fingers to practice to remember the keyboard not you.
@Beginner • 02 Aug, 2012 • 2 likes Hey friends.... After you follow big_k's tips.. I suggest you to test your typing speed (wpm)..
www.typeracer.com
and this is the best place you can know your typing speed while you compete with others.. Good luck..😉
@Beginner • 02 Aug, 2012
@Kaustubh Katdare • 02 Aug, 2012
Beginner
Hey friends.... After you follow big_k's tips.. I suggest you to test your typing speed (wpm)..

and this is the best place you can know your typing speed while you compete with others.. Good luck..😉
I'm a 'Megaracer' on it, with 82 WPM. Best Race: 99 WPM. Not bad. Self-taught. 😀
@Kaustubh Katdare • 02 Aug, 2012 • 2 likes Update: Just took another test and got my best ever: 101 WPM.
@Beginner • 03 Aug, 2012
The_Big_K
Update: Just took another test and got my best ever: 101 WPM.
Woahhh.. good.... 👍
@rohit330 • 05 Aug, 2012 Just attempted there...Got only 33 wpm 😔 Hats off BigK 😀
@rohit330 • 05 Aug, 2012 Am gonna try once more....😉
@rohit330 • 05 Aug, 2012
rohit330
Am gonna try once more....😉
46wpm...
@AM_NAREN • 07 Aug, 2012 Never tried that but looks like interesting. So will try that now .
@Beginner • 07 Aug, 2012
rohit330
46wpm...
Good.. keep going... good luck👍
@CoMm0nMaN • 13 Aug, 2012 • 1 like Be a MMORPG or any online interaction gamer And learn to type fast... 😁

P.s. - DON'T GET ADDICTED TO IT!!! 😘
@Jeffrey Arulraj • 09 Oct, 2012 • 2 likes My typing speed increased cos of frequent updates and postings in technical forums like CE they are of great help I don't have to look into each and every letter I type in the text

Thanks CE for training me as such
@valsa • 20 Nov, 2012 • 2 likes Hi!

I am rather new here, but I enjoy reading your forums alot! I just wanted to share that my typing speed increased after playing MMPORG and I also did some typing races. E.g. like here https://keyboard-racing.com/typing-games.html It is free and I enjoy playing when I have nothing else to do.
@Yournished • 10 Feb, 2013 • 1 like Long before our family decided to buy our first computer, my late grandfather already taught us how to type properly without looking at the keys of good ol' typewriter. Proper positioning of the fingers on the keyboard is the best way to do it. There are also typing tutorial software and games that can help you improve your typing skills.
@sundoll • 15 Mar, 2013 I like the way you write 😀
@Sanyam Khurana • 28 Mar, 2013 Well, I used Typing Master, and it really did miracles for me.

I first practice the tests, often played games, but what one has to basically learn is which finger is used to press which word. The correct positioning of hands in very essential feature in improving your Typing. Later on, when I knew the rules, Facebook chat was the turning point, thought at first, it was a very tedious thing to do for me, but later on, my hands adapted it and now, I don't have to instruct my hands to type something, what I think is actually typed automatically.

PS : My average Typing speed is now 47 WPM ( as tested in several tests )

Yeah...!! 😉
@Chinu1 • 29 Mar, 2013 Thank you so much. But still I have difficulty to type...
@Sanyam Khurana • 29 Mar, 2013 Chinu1 try Typing Master Pro, it would help you alot..!!
@Kaustubh Katdare • 29 Mar, 2013 • 1 like My top speed on Type Racer is 101 WPM.
@Sanyam Khurana • 29 Mar, 2013 Whoaa..!! That's Superb 😉
@Sanyam Khurana • 29 Mar, 2013 Sir, Mine is 59 WPM top in type racer !!! 😀

Yeah !!! 😉 [​IMG]
@Shailaja Tiwari • 29 Mar, 2013 I had been following Big_K's typing tips for 3 days and my score is just 145 kpm 😔 .
Need to improve a lot.
@Kaustubh Katdare • 29 Mar, 2013
shailaja revathi
I had been following Big_K's typing tips for 3 days and my score is just 145 kpm 😔 .
Need to improve a lot.
Don't be sad yet. 10 days of practice, 10 minutes every day and then check.
@Adam Fort • 11 Sep, 2013
Kaustubh Katdare
Don't be sad yet. 10 days of practice, 10 minutes every day and then check.
Where do you practice? I like typing lessons from https://www.ratatype.com/
@Kaustubh Katdare • 11 Sep, 2013 • 1 like @Adam Fort - I don't use any software or service to practice. In fact, I don't practice typing anymore. I just keep on trying to type faster whenever I'm typing; like this post. Ratatype looks like a nice service though. Will give it a try.

Update: Just took the basic, 1 sentence test on the homepage. It says 119 words per minute.
@Adam Fort • 11 Sep, 2013
Kaustubh Katdare
@Adam Fort - I don't use any software or service to practice. In fact, I don't practice typing anymore. I just keep on trying to type faster whenever I'm typing; like this post. Ratatype looks like a nice service though. Will give it a try.

Update: Just took the basic, 1 sentence test on the homepage. It says 119 words per minute.
Cool, I'm only 54 now. What I like in their test - it's "real life" test with capital letters, commas and so on. It's so hard for me to press "Shift"😡
@Shailaja Tiwari • 12 Sep, 2013 Well my speed is 98 wpm using typera application.
@Sanyam Khurana • 12 Sep, 2013
Shailaja Tiwari
Well my speed is 98 wpm using typera application.
Wow..!!

That's really very good..😉

PS: I need to improve a lot..😖
@Manish Goyal • 03 Oct, 2013 • 1 like Spend some time on social networking applications and communicate with multiple friends at same time.

Trust me your typing speed will really improve
@Ankita Katdare • 31 May, 2016 Anyone here still looking for this in 2016?
This thread has been really helping hundreds of people since last half a decade! 😁
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