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@Kaustubh Katdare • 14 Sep, 2010 • 1 like
Well, it could be a sci-fi flick; but I have began believing that machines around us are smart and intelligent enough to act dumb and slowly gain control of human race.

Last month; while driving at night, we lost our road and drove about 50 km before we realized we were on the wrong track. Instead of using our brains to figure out where we are, we simply turned on GPS and reached our destination.

We use Google and Wikipedia to get instant information about anything we want. We don't remember anyone's birthday's anymore - because the cell phone remembers it for us.

Don't you think machines are making us their slaves?
@abhishek1814 • 14 Sep, 2010 • 1 like This is a very good topic biggie.I had this topic in my GD.Well I agree with you that we are becoming slaves.To increase our comfortness we are making machines for every silly thing.Lets start from the beginning of day.A man uses a trimmer,for shaving,which is a machine.There may be days in future where these machines will start ordering and taking charge of humans.e.g movie terminator-rise of machines
@Ankita Katdare • 14 Sep, 2010 • 1 like I read in some book that Donald Trump neither uses computer nor cell-phone. He wrote, he shouts name of people in his office and thinks it works quicker than the intercom 😁

So I guess smart people refrain from depending themselves too much on technology and machines.

But, it won't be too long, when machines take over the mankind.. at least the common man.. 😲
@Saandeep Sreerambatla • 14 Sep, 2010 Good Point Ankita.

There should be limits in usage of machines. We should not be lazy such that machine works for us!! We are depending yes ,but machines overtaking humans I think its take a bit long.

But looking at TED's devices , I wonder the day may be near too.
@rishi0922 • 14 Sep, 2010 • 1 like Its 100% true fact that machines are taking all the controls slowly and slowly from Human Being. And it is the creation of human only, and I think it's very necessary for the restful life of human. There is not a single field where human is not making machines work, but the main thing about this is the super control system of all the machines is taking place in the human MIND, so in a short sentence we can say that

MINDS are developing itself to give a calmful rest to itself
@gohm • 14 Sep, 2010 Being that the machines currently are designed, manufactured, maintained & programmed by humans to serve our needs I think it is the other way around. At any point I can choose to turn the device off or begin to commit to memory dates and phone numbers.
@Saandeep Sreerambatla • 14 Sep, 2010 But , there may be something like Artificial Intelligence where in you cannot control it?

Situation may arise!! so the more developed systems we use, the more lazier people are becoming.
Moreover, the systems taking control may happen. echelon conspiracy 😀
@silverscorpion • 15 Sep, 2010 Well, all movies based on the negative, unwanted effects of AI, like Echelon Conspiracy, Eagle Eye etc.. are based on the assumption that the humans just allowed the machines to grow and gain intelligence on their own until a tipping point was reached and a threshold was crossed, after which, the machines started controlling the lives of humans.

But, on deep thinking, it will be evident that this problem can be countered by just implementing some form of control over the intelligence of machines. That is, even at the preliminary stages of designing of new AI based machines, if we impose control over what all a machine can learn and what would be the limit to a machine's intelligence, then there will be no such fears.

Well, we can argue that imposing such a control would be impossible due to competition in research et all.. But still, in my opinion, if at all there is a possibility of machines gaining control of humans, it is definitely very far far away in the future, and I doubt we'll be there to witness it.
@aj_onduty • 15 Sep, 2010 • 1 like The present situation is that humans are pampered by the machines a lot. If someone wants to talk to someone who sits in the same room, but a different cubicle, we use an intercom. They are too lazy to walk up to that cubicle and talk. This is just one case. Why do you need to waste money by going to a gym, muai thai classes, and (yes) pole dancing classes. Just walk when you get a chance, and stop being lazy. The ease offered by machines are just making you lazier and lazier. The laziness is only in your body, but slowly, it will creep in your mind. Nowadays, no one multiplies a number greater than two digits to a single digit number. Why should he do, you have a calculator. Then you take seperate coaching to develop your brain. You don't have to walk to your workplace which is 100-150 metre away, but why should you walk, machines will do it for you. And we blame the food we eat for being too oily or calorific.
Think humans!
@shreyasm89 • 15 Sep, 2010 I agree we are totally hooked on to all kinds of devices around us. But my opinion is very basic about this-when it is MAN vs MACHINE we'll just PULL THE PLUG.😉
@aj_onduty • 15 Sep, 2010 We are creating machines which can be self powered, that is, we do NOT need to use a plug to operate them. What can a man possibly do if they can make their own food? Answer me people!
@tashirosgt • 16 Sep, 2010 If you were driving at night, you weren't walking; you were relying on a machine to transport you and light the way. So if "control" is accomplished through dependence, you were already dependent on machines before you turned on the GPS.

I don't think machines "control" people unless there are situations where the machine has some will and purpose of its own. Things such as organizations and social customs "control" what people do, in some sense. However, even with those things, one must take an abstract view to imagine that an organization or a society is something that has a will and a purpose.
@Kaustubh Katdare • 16 Sep, 2010
tashirosgt
If you were driving at night, you weren't walking; you were relying on a machine to transport you and light the way. So if "control" is accomplished through dependence, you were already dependent on machines before you turned on the GPS.

I don't think machines "control" people unless there are situations where the machine has some will and purpose of its own. Things such as organizations and social customs "control" what people do, in some sense. However, even with those things, one must take an abstract view to imagine that an organization or a society is something that has a will and a purpose.
I understand. I'm concerned about devices getting smarter. I believe by the end of the century, we'll actually have thinking machines and they'll be able to decide whether they want to follow human instructions. I think we're taking baby steps closer to artificial intelligence.
@vik001ind • 17 Sep, 2010 • 1 like Machines are build to help us & serve our various needs so that we can stride faster. If we don't use machines we will lose our efficiency by atleast 80 percent. They are made to increase your potentials & capabilities. Your phone remembers phone numbers & birthday of your near & dear ones for you so that you can concentrate & remember other important & urgent works. It depends how you see the matter. If machines makes you lazy then its your fault. You would have used them to increase your capability. When you are unnecessarily chatting & wasting time in social networking site, its your fault you could have used that time & energy to search something important in the internet. Its all your fault. Machines can't do anything on their own, atleast till now, its your mind & senses that bends & feeds you whatever you want.
At present machines have very low level of AI. Machines have limited capabilities like holding a cup of tea, learning to walk & mimicking facial expression. AI is in incipient stage now. Scientists have predicted that after 40-50 years, machines will have an intelligence level of 3 year old chimpanzee's baby. It's quite inevitable that the AI will progress at accelerated rate after that.
In my opinion future is going to change abruptly & it will occur in our lifetime. In future, current division of people by their caste, creed religion, color etc will diminish. They will be divided into two groups - super humans & normal humans. Super humans will be genetically enhanced people & cyborgs who will have machines embedded within them. As machines will possess higher level of AI, we will be needing to enhance ourselves & become like them before they surpass & conquer us. This process has already started, at present, there are some people who have embedded capsule chips in their body so that they can interact with home appliances. Some have even embedded metal parts within their bones which makes them stronger. They are the primitive cyborgs.
@tashirosgt • 18 Sep, 2010 • 1 like A critical question is what will the exact nature of successful artificial intelligence turn out to be. If it can be accomplished with conventional software then programmers can understand and control the goals of the machine. If is must be programmed by something like neural net architecture and "trained" then it won't be possible to precisely state the goals of the machine.

vik001d brings up another crucial point: will intelligent machines appear suddenly or gradually. How much time will people have to adapt? Another question is whether intelligent machines will have a scheme of effective communication with each other. Given current trends, they probably will. Perhaps part of our brain will be replaced with an intelligent machine.

However, there is a phenomenon known as "prophetic foreshortening". Prophets who forsee the shape of the future, usually see it taking shape a long time before it actually does.
@Whats In Name • 18 Sep, 2010 • 1 like But it is still in our hands,we can switch off them anytime. 😁
@aj_onduty • 20 Sep, 2010 Dear CEans,
Just imagine you have a PA who looks after all your private and official financial matters. Suppose that person is the best at the job, and you get pampered by that person's work and you trust him/her, you never mind and monitor anything which that person does. The person, on the other hand, can deceive you without you noticing it. Similar is the case of AI powered machines. When the machine you use learns the act of deceit, what can you possibly do? Get doomed, most probably.
@aj_onduty • 20 Sep, 2010
Whats In Name
But it is still in our hands,we can switch off them anytime. 😁
I said,"We are creating machines which can be self powered, that is, we do NOT need to use a plug to operate them. What can a man possibly do if they can make their own food? "
@crazyaddiction • 01 Oct, 2010 but don't you people think that this is a good sign !! "THE INVENTION TAKING OVER INVENTOR" !! machines controlling us doesn't always mean we are becoming slaves here ..
feel it , we are making things which can control themselves ... they may become needy in saving us in the future too !!
i agree to the point that we are becoming lazy !! but that doesn't mean we are struck helpless !!
@Smell Smoke • 03 Oct, 2010 • 1 like Todays hindu had a small article by George thomas who wrote about a hard incident in which he had to spent half an hour infront of a e machine inorder to put a cheque at his bank and failed in the end.He wrote a valid point about checking the spaces where all the technology willl be useful and there only implementing it. Blindly going behind technology is not good to anyone.
So yes,these incidents prove we are turning out to be the slaves of technology than the other way it should be.
@Neema Ambhurkar • 11 Oct, 2010 From the day the wheel was set into motion, mankind have had always depended on machines for their leisure and to make things better. Machines are definitely an integral part in today's world, but the day will soon come when the machines will gain control over mankind. Today, we are so dependent on machines that we even depend on them for our daily morning exercises or so, instead of going for a good healthy morning walk.

A person is buying a machine or that machine is buying the person(indirectly) is what needs to be given a thought!
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