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    mathew89

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    Updated: Oct 26, 2024
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    Hello,

    I suppose in our smartphones we have both of this measurement devices included. The question is, whether this devices are in one electronic chip or separated?
    Is that possible to create gyroscope from accelerometer using some kind of software with mathematics calculation?

    Thanks for explanation,
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  • Ramani Aswath

    Member • Jun 10, 2016

    A gyro is a mechanical device, like a spinning wheel or a vibrating reed, neither of which is in a cell phone.
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  • Harshad Italiya

    Member • Jun 10, 2016

    There are chips available that can have both Accelerometer and Gyroscope both and may be that is used in mobile phones.

    Basic difference between Accelerometer and Gyroscope is Gyroscope uses Earth’s gravity to help determine orientation while Accelerometer measures non-gravitational acceleration.

    So now what exactly is your final goal with Gyroscope if you just want to do movement detect then you can do that with Accelerometer also.
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  • Ramani Aswath

    Member • Jun 10, 2016

    Harshad, I think that there may be a semantic issue here. A gyroscope is a device that maintains a fixed orientation in space unless an external force is applied. When that happens it precesses. I think that the term is loosely used in the context of the chip that you mentioned.
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  • Harshad Italiya

    Member • Jun 10, 2016

    A.V.Ramani
    Harshad, I think that there may be a semantic issue here. A gyroscope is a device that maintains a fixed orientation in space unless an external force is applied. When that happens it precesses. I think that the term is loosely used in the context of the chip that you mentioned.
    Did you mean Gyroscope can't be a small electronic chip?
    See this chip is having Gyro+Accelerometer Sensor inbuilt:- <a href="https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10937" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">www.sparkfun.com</a>
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  • Harshad Italiya

    Member • Jun 10, 2016

    This chips called MEMS - Micro-Electro-Mechanical-System
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  • Ashraf HZ

    Member • Jun 11, 2016

    Harshad Italiya
    This chips called MEMS - Micro-Electro-Mechanical-System
    I used to blog about MEMS back in 2008. I once applied to an online tech website and sent a sample of my MEMS writing. They reverted saying MEMS was too "scientific" for them and not mainstream at the time. Haha. We've come a long way since then.
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  • Harshad Italiya

    Member • Jun 11, 2016

    ash
    They reverted saying MEMS was too "scientific" for them and not mainstream at the time. Haha. We've come a long way since then.
    If you are talking about 2008 then yeah I think that was the time when MEMS was not that much known to everybody. But look at the time now !
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  • Ramani Aswath

    Member • Jun 11, 2016

    Harshad Italiya
    But look at the time now !
    My involvement with (Mechanical) Gyroscopes dates back to 1953 in the Physics lab. I have a toy called Levitron based on this principle right now. It is a levitating spinning top.
    I am sure all of us have suffered the common house fly landing on the nose. If you shoe it away it returns back to the same spot on the nose. The fly has two vibrating reed gyroscopes under each wing that keeps track of where it was.

    We do use some mems in our work on medical devices. I have never heard of gyros in a chip.

    In any case the physics of gyros is the same whether it is a giant gyro or a fly's wing gyro. Have you any idea of the actual mechanism in the mems chip. Is it a vibrating slicon wafer or some such? What keeps it going?
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  • Harshad Italiya

    Member • Jun 11, 2016

    Yes,
    I have read about accelerometer and that is having spring inside. But for gyro it need more additional vibrating wafer/ spring which gives mechanical things and variable capacitance and resistance gives electronic part.

    Will do some more study on this as now a days they usually do x-ray of such chips when gets reported with bugs related to EMC EMI
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  • Ashraf HZ

    Member • Jun 11, 2016

    This video neatly explains how the MEMS gyroscope works.

    In summary:
    - Drive capacitors vibrate silicon proof masses along X & Y axes, with fixed velocity and opposite directions
    - Once angular velocity is applied due to rotation, sense capacitors measure the proof masses displacement due to the resultant vector of the proof masses vibration velocity and angular velocity
    - The direction & rate of rotation is calculated from the sense capacitors delta for each axis.
    - More nuances of the design (such as measuring the yaw on Z axis) is explained in the video.

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  • Ramani Aswath

    Member • Jun 11, 2016

    So it is a vibrating mass gyro, which is understandable. Thanks, Ash.
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