What is your definition of a good job?

I will go for the last option...the job must pay what you deserve but at the end satisfaction is every thing for me. 😀

demetronI will go for the last option...the job must pay what you deserve but at the end satisfaction is every thing for me. 😀

Okay, thats good. So 3 votes including me for the last one.

PS: Although I would chose option 3 as my choice, I'm not saying option 1 & 2 are bad. Will explain later.

"I want job in core company,no matter what";This will be my attitude during interview.It really don't matter if it is high-scale company or small-scale company.To be mentioned that, I am deeply interested in CS/IT field too & wanna be part of a hardworking Opensource community strictly Linux;no cross platform, but that certainly will be my part-time work.I love CS/IT - no shit ! but my heart beats for Electronics, always !
By the way, for a year or four, I don't have any problem if i get very very great salary & not the job i love, 'cuz I'll be doing the thing i love "underground" & I will need some dough to setup my business in future.Well, I am Gujarati - we are tend to end up being an entrepreneur, Harshad bhai knows this 😀
-Hope the correct option clicks my brain on "my-career-judgement-day" for my own good-

For me, a good job is a job that you really enjoy doing, provided all your basic needs are taken care off - either by the job or through some other means. It's however *very* difficult to find a job that you truly enjoy doing. Most of the people make a compromise with their jobs and find solace in what they're asked to do.

I tell you what you need to do.

Collect INR 12,000/- from your father.

Buy a raspberry PI for 3000. Buy a costly Nexus or iPhone MicroUSB-USB cable with Adapter. Buy one 4GB SD card. Load Linux. Now learn a little port programming with Python. Build WiFi, Use GPP to interface Relay boards. Buy a domain with hosting for another 3K.

You have hardware, you have software, you have python, you have web. Make a Version control with Drupal. Develop cool stuff and combine to make that awesome Open Source project. In about a years time some more freaks and kids will join.


In two years time you will be chased by big shots. Sell your open source project to a commercial distributor for 3M USD. Catch a train to Gulbarga, pay me my share of .5M for advising you. Go back with 2.5M. Put 1M in investment, enjoy your life with 1.5M. By the time you are done spending 1.5M, Your reserved 1M will become 2M.

By this time you might have been bored of enjoying your life. Catch a flight to US, go straight to Silicon Valley. Find out marijuana distributor, identify kids with long hair and grass. Ask them what is their project.

Tell him you are ready for investment banking. Get him complete in 6 months, sell that to a bigger party, enjoy.

OR

Attend campus. Join any company. Does not make any difference. You will very much be working in testing or some stupid dummy project. Why? Small companies will not come for campus and you cant find them in street.

Rupam DasI tell you what you need to do.

Collect INR 12,000/- from your father.

Buy a raspberry PI for 3000. Buy a costly Nexus or iPhone MicroUSB-USB cable with Adapter. Buy one 4GB SD card. Load Linux. Now learn a little port programming with Python. Build WiFi, Use GPP to interface Relay boards. Buy a domain with hosting for another 3K.

You have hardware, you have software, you have python, you have web. Make a Version control with Drupal. Develop cool stuff and combine to make that awesome Open Source project. In about a years time some more freaks and kids will join.


In two years time you will be chased by big shots. Sell your open source project to a commercial distributor for 3M USD. Catch a train to Gulbarga, pay me my share of .5M for advising you. Go back with 2.5M. Put 1M in investment, enjoy your life with 1.5M. By the time you are done spending 1.5M, Your reserved 1M will become 2M.

By this time you might have been bored of enjoying your life. Catch a flight to US, go straight to Silicon Valley. Find out marijuana distributor, identify kids with long hair and grass. Ask them what is their project.

Tell him you are ready for investment banking. Get him complete in 6 months, sell that to a bigger party, enjoy.

OR

Attend campus. Join any company. Does not make any difference. You will very much be working in testing or some stupid dummy project. Why? Small companies will not come for campus and you cant find them in street.

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#-Link-Snipped-# : I wish life was that easy 😉.

In about a years time some more freaks and kids will join.
In two years time you will be chased by big shots.

Guess what? This is exactly where India and Silicon Valley differ. The 'early adopter' community in India isn't that mature; or let's say they're all lured more by the innovations in the silicon valley. Even 'recruiting' is a pain in a$$. You end up meeting people who don't know anything about the Internet more than Facebook and their personal email. 😕 ...plus don't get me started on the ethics part.

The_Big_KGuess what? This is exactly where India and Silicon Valley differ. The 'early adopter' community in India isn't that mature; or let's say they're all lured more by the innovations in the silicon valley. Even 'recruiting' is a pain in a$$. You end up meeting people who don't know anything about the Internet more than Facebook and their personal email. 😕 ...plus don't get me started on the ethics part.

Screw Silicon Valley, We're going to make "Indus valley" > "Si Valley" (A big dream,not possible though)
Anyways let me say, let's not concentrate in entire "India", let us concentrate in talent here in CE.I know we have fatass talent here, it's just most IT/CS guys/girls are messed up with "oh so regular" job & "regular" software testing, development & debugging. Take a survey - how many CS/IT student are really involved into OpenSourcing ? Not judging, but most of 'em don't even know what it is, even if they know- they don't understand that "OpenSource" is the future !
Coming back,We CE shouldn't be just a forum, I think it's time now to step-up, time to do "projects" & studies together, You Biggie- if you take major steps in this & show interest then I think WE DO HAVE TALENT, Our CE will be an Engineer's dream hub.

#-Link-Snipped-# : What embarrasses me the most is that we've had very big plans for 2012 and I wish I could tell you all that's happened (and went wrong) in this year. I'll have to type all the night and I won't still be done. The point is, we couldn't achieve what we wanted to in this year.

Trust me, we're getting back on the track slowly. The recent web-traffic issue has made things a bit more challenging though.

The more reliable way to get out of this situation is to ensure that we've lot of great content (new, interesting threads) coming up every day so that people start discovering us.

The_Big_K#-Link-Snipped-# : What embarrasses me the most is that we've had very big plans for 2012 and I wish I could tell you all that's happened (and went wrong) in this year. I'll have to type all the night and I won't still be done. The point is, we couldn't achieve what we wanted to in this year.

Trust me, we're getting back on the track slowly. The recent web-traffic issue has made things a bit more challenging though.

The more reliable way to get out of this situation is to ensure that we've lot of great content (new, interesting threads) coming up every day so that people start discovering us.

No worries sir, I am 19, young - studying - enjoying - learning everyday -- plus I'll be with CE clique 'till I die. But somewhere I heard that Kaustubh Katdare wanna make CE an Engineering hub, where Engineers will do something "innovative" & "out of box".This will sound cocky & selfish, but I've join this community just because I wanna be part of "innovation" & not just "forum" .. sorry but I expect a lot 😐

Well, let me put it this way - the plan is bigger than what anyone of you has thought of. None of it has been given up yet.

#-Link-Snipped-# life is never easy.be it for you or me or anybody. Level of struggle differs. Its about doing what you can do best and what you love to do. In that way probability of success is more. You don't need people from your home land to work with you. Projects are more global. Ask anybody in regular job after say five years in the industry and hear a nice work. You got to ask yourself the purpose of your life. Its that simple.

Troll_So_HardTake a survey - how many CS/IT student are really involved into OpenSourcing ? Not judging, but most of 'em don't even know what it is, even if they know- they don't understand that "OpenSource" is the future !

And how many ETC eng's are doing a job related to RFID,control systems or there own domain(whatever they study,IDK )? i think less then 50% and all others are coding j2ee for some American banking firm,so mostly it's not just we,the CS/IT guys who didn't care about open source but the other guys,who just want a job and don't have interest in there own domain.

Now a days even mech guys 'having no interest in computers at all' and even good at there own subject are coding PHP,just because they got a JOB. 😡

I have been very selfish. I have always done only what I love to do.
Never made much money in all the 53 years I have been working.
However, I have a whale of a time and will gladly redo it if I had a choice to relive those years.

bioramaniI have been very selfish. I have always done only what I love to do.
Never made much money in all the 53 years I have been working.
However, I have a whale of a time and will gladly redo it if I had a choice to relive those years.

So I am not alone? Doing something that we love gives some satisfaction that money can not buy(probably)

#-Link-Snipped-# have you tried doing what you just preached? Really... life is very different.

And why are we showing regular IT jobs in bad light? There are many who have excelled in such jobs. Even CE, for that matter was born in the campus of a regular IT company and founded by a guy starting his career with a regular job. 😀

A regular job helps in getting a start. You build contacts, you get access to world class resources and most importantly get time to think about kickass ideas such as CE.

And lets accept it, not all can be entrepreneurs. Not all should be entrepreneurs. People who can not take risk should rather try to build their professional dreams by becoming intrapreneurs.

#-Link-Snipped-# - Why dont you start doing some thing awesome on CE? Do you have an idea? Head to this thread.

#-Link-Snipped-#

mayurpathak#-Link-Snipped-# have you tried doing what you just preached? Really... life is very different.

And why are we showing regular IT jobs in bad light? There are many who have excelled in such jobs. Even CE, for that matter was born in the campus of a regular IT company and founded by a guy starting his career with a regular job. 😀

A regular job helps in getting a start. You build contacts, you get access to world class resources and most importantly get time to think about kickass ideas such as CE.

And lets accept it, not all can be entrepreneurs. Not all should be entrepreneurs. People who can not take risk should rather try to build their professional dreams by becoming intrapreneurs.

I am an Entrepreneur since almost after one year in 'JOB'. I have failed in most of the ventures that endevoured, but still pursuing my dreams. 😀

I have not seen too many extra ordinary entrepreneurs who went to business after 10 years in Job and that is not my fault.

So logic here is, if one has a true potential, and if one knows that, it makes a sense to explore that. Even failures teaches many things. So life always remains open.

Oh and for those who may not know, I lived in railway platform with my newly married wife for 7 days and have run my business from platform. Oh and I also pledged my marriage ring, wife's jewelry to restart the business that was unfortunately snatched away with backstabbing.

And I do posses extraordinary academic record other than of course class xII, to get a decent job ( However I have yet not managed it , because most of HR finds me 'over experienced' or 'over priced'). So to be in the business is my life, my soul.

I hope none of you have lived in platform ever with stray dogs! What is a life if you dont have such a struggle to remember and tell people to?

So #-Link-Snipped-#, yes I have lived the life of an Entrepreneur that might well be a best selling biography or a movie (provided I reach where I should reach).

Cheers!

You're an inspiration, Rupam. May you inspire several wannabe entrepreneurs to take the plunge.

😐 [My answer to your verse would have been only the comic face, but I would like to add a little]

Look, life is uncertain. You do not know what is there for you tomorrow? So why not live to see dreams and chase them? Human beings have survived in wars, Everest, earth quake and what not? How? The instinct to survive and to live make us so strong that we do extra ordinary things. Know this, if you have willingness you can do.

Agreed, there are tough times. They may sometimes take every energy and emotion out of your body and you might look to quit. Happens to me all the time after a project or venture fails to meet monitory success that we assume. But then again I get up and say, lets give a last try. This should be my last project. If it fails, I will even join for a clerk's post. And again I fail....

Nothing is easy. The power of independent thought and to be able to do what interests me is much more dearer to me than a 3BHK flat in Juhu( Another lame statement usually used by underachievers ).

mayurpathak#-Link-Snipped-# - Why dont you start doing some thing awesome on CE? Do you have an idea? Head to this thread.

#-Link-Snipped-#

Let me take this fork & go straight :
CrazyEngineers have plenty of CS/IT Engineers & sadly we don't have our own "CE App" for Android,iOS,etc.So, an App for CE, yes I want .. but I don't have knowledge in Android. #-Link-Snipped-# maybe interested in this, I guess.

I am trying to learn developing apps using QT4 so i can develop some Opensource apps under GPLv2/GPLv3 for Ubuntu & I want an App of CE in Ubuntu Software Center(This will subliminally spread word for CE too). Anyone interested ?
Also, I wanna develop a game in Python using Panda3D then port parts to C++ & again develop some part of game using OGRE & combine it, possible ? yes ! But still confused whether engine in C++ is better or Python, I prefer C++ though, but Python is not bad for small games.
I need to go depth in C++ but before that I wanna learn Python, then I will move for C++.

Okay, now I am an EC student, don't expect me to be 24x7 working on this project & I don't even know "everything" so I have to learn & then implement... see I still haven't found guy/girl who can help me guide in developing Linux games/Apps here in CE, I am trolling tutorials to learn it(this shit is tough),Also I have to give 60% time to my branch, rest of time I am all ready to devote to my interest 😀

If any CEan guy/girl interested, to develop something/anything in Winblows Linux domain, then I am all set.

Good job is the job there at least while doing work we will not think our salary is good or bad.....

Rupam... no offense to you at all. Your story must be great and we all would love to know more about your struggle.

PS: I do own a 3BHK, though not in Juhu. 😛 But I'm not into a "Job"

Troll_So_HardLet me take this fork & go straight :
CrazyEngineers have plenty of CS/IT Engineers & sadly we don't have our own "CE App" for Android,iOS,etc.So, an App for CE, yes I want .. but I don't have knowledge in Android.

coding the CE app itself is phase 2 and also the easy part (comparatively!) it can be done either in android or can be coded in flex (it sucks though but supports multiple platforms) but first some body has to write the service calls combined together to form a API like fb,on which the app work,and that (as i know) must be written in the language that CE uses itself like PHP or J2EE i am not sure what technology this site using?And to do that it'll take admin level privileges 😁

i have very limited knowledge of android or flex,and apps i ever coded based on already written service calls so excuse if i am incorrect 😒

I am still into a job which I dont like.

If I achieve something really in my life I need to say I would dedicate that to CE! 😀 Since I heard the word Entrepreneur here at CE. Earlier to this , I dont know that I can start business and I dont know that people with ideas with common sense will give them a start up idea.

Anyway , Lets see how things go in my life in next 6 months!

#-Link-Snipped-# : Your story is really inspiring!! I wish you success and like a movie "Pursuit of happyness" 😀

#-Link-Snipped-# : There are several people who are great, but are stuck up in boring jobs. That's the gap we (CE) wants to fill. I have always believed that if people get to work on the projects they 'love', and we find a way to commercialise it; we can build a great company. CE wants to be that company.

Yeah, I understood that. I think down the line by next CE day I assume we should have some commercialized products from CE!

A bit off-topic but I must say, I have seen a great change in the way I see things and understand after joining CE. There are couple of factors too which have changed my vision but CE with regular talks about start-ups, and more importantly not so much emphasis on perfect grammar , and you awesome people here make me alive everyday. If I have not joined CE I think I would be the regular person ( A definition at office) who comes to work, put money in shares , do some work enjoy tea at cafeteria about 5 times a day and go home and enjoy watching television and using brain only while working that too , to some extent!

Biggie, a open compliment to you to enlighten many of us here and you know we will make you proud!

English-ScaredI am still into a job which I dont like.

If I achieve something really in my life I need to say I would dedicate that to CE! 😀 Since I heard the word Entrepreneur here at CE. Earlier to this , I dont know that I can start business and I dont know that people with ideas with common sense will give them a start up idea.

Anyway , Lets see how things go in my life in next 6 months!

I just hope we find more and more people on our community like our proud CEan #-Link-Snipped-#
And I am really thankful to #-Link-Snipped-# for coming up with this thread and to all those great responses that followed.

We have only had few responses. Is this the only definition? I'm surprised people have not chosen steady jobs as their choice. They are not bad. Any one wants to debate?

I am in for a deb #-Link-Snipped-# cause I am supposed to miss AICE only cos I depend on my parents for my daily living. I am yet to overcome this But to start an enterprise with no money in your pocket is not a good step at all part time jobs serve the purpose even part time enterprises are becoming popular

And I never thought I too will be on the stead towards building my own enterprise before I joined CE Hats off you lit a fire in many of us

.. hmm , where I can be creative by self and not by force
IT jobs are not bad, few people find their pride in them and thus their happiness. As different people have different choices , we should be able to respect everyones choice.
But , I beleive if you are unhappy with something, its only us who can change it.

If I'm loving what I do and getting paid for it at the end of the month, how can it be bad? Entrepreneurship is good. But if you want to be one just because you dont want to report to some one or you dont want a boss, then its wrong.Most people in this world are happy because they are not under stress to make money. They do what is expected of them and get a salary. Most people earn a lot out of their jobs.

S Ramadorai, Kris Gopalakrishnan, N Chandrashekhar, Chanda Kocher, AM Naik, Nandan Nilekani have all been employees. But they made it big.

No one says being an employee is bad. Being an employee and not loving the job (always cribbing about managers, work-load, looking for 'chance' to get breaks from work, not being happy on the job) is bad. Entrepreneurship is a job too, in fact a 10x more difficult job and you can't complain when things go wrong. When you're working for your own company - you can't blame anyone for not paying you 'enough' salary.

This discussion *IS NOT* about entrepreneurship. This discussion is about defining a 'good job'. The definition has to be very simple: A good job is a job that you love doing and pays you with enough money to fulfil your needs, wants & dreams.

Entrepreneurship is more of an 'attitude' thing. After interacting with several of them - these are the people who want to do something 'different' from what most people will do. They want to be able to solve problems and enjoy doing that.

One can define a "good job" if she can define purpose of life. Looking after the household ( Homemaker) is also great if the lady enjoys that.

You see, most Entrepreneurs become entrepreneurs because they just want to be entrepreneurs and same goes true for jobs.

For definition, you need to dig deeper than "what you earn" question. 😀


A medical forum would motivate a young lad to take up medicine study. The same way, CE speaks for entrepreneurship. Simple.

Good job is nothing but happiness i think. Happiness includes honor, qualification of what i am doing and also enjoying of it of course