Uber Security Project For ATMs.

#-Link-Snipped-#, This is really good idea if we can make some security system which prevent such cases. I have some additional idea which we may make this system more reliable.

I have idea to use Accelerometer and GPS+GSM. I will get back to this thread with more detail soon.

#-Link-Snipped-#, Are you all UP if we are planning to implement this project in real? How if we make one demo device which can be used with some modification after real testing?

I was thinking of using some Arduino or other customize board + Accelerometer Break Out Board + GPS/GSM Modem. How's this?

Don't ATMs already have automatic sensors and alarms?

If GSM is used for communications, its possible thieves may use a signal jammer.

I think we need to get a reference design of an actual ATM machine and see where its main weakness lie (e.g structural design, electronics, etc).

ashDon't ATMs already have automatic sensors and alarms?

If GSM is used for communications, its possible thieves may use a signal jammer.

I think we need to get a reference design of an actual ATM machine and see where its main weakness lie (e.g structural design, electronics, etc).

Good point #-Link-Snipped-# , But is it possible to get ATM machine design ? If not GSM then Accelerometer can be used at-least to sense abnormal movement.

Having a look through <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_teller_machine#Physical" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Automated Teller Machine Physical</a> article on ATM security, its clear that the more secure features are added, the more brazen and advanced the thieves will get to get the cash.

So lets say, we pick Gujurat as the location to propose our solution. Do the ATMs there currently have automatic sensors or alarms? Are the ATMs anchored poorly to the building foundations? Which banks are the most vulnerable?

We can propose a cost effective interim solution, but on the long run, perhaps we can work on a more robust system (like tracking with other means, better CCTV surveillance, etc).

ashHaving a look through <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_teller_machine#Physical" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Automated Teller Machine Physical</a> article on ATM security, its clear that the more secure features are added, the more brazen and advanced the thieves will get to get the cash.

So lets say, we pick Gujurat as the location to propose our solution. Do the ATMs there currently have automatic sensors or alarms? Are the ATMs anchored poorly to the building foundations? Which banks are the most vulnerable?

We can propose a cost effective interim solution, but on the long run, perhaps we can work on a more robust system (like tracking with other means, better CCTV surveillance, etc).

There may be some provision to prevent such cases but if we talk few months back there were more than 5-6 cases where thief taken away ATM machine itself very easily. CCTV was there but just for namesake.

Harshad ItaliyaThere may be some provision to prevent such cases but if we talk few months back there were more than 5-6 cases where thief taken away ATM machine itself very easily. CCTV was there but just for namesake.

How are they taken away? Using tow trucks and blow torches? So we look at two angles:

1. Means to prevent ATM from being dislodged (and sensors to detect attempts, such as vibration, heat and impact sensors).
2. As currently discussed in this thread, once dislodged, sensors to detect movement and ways to track.

Both instances will need to be reported to authorities.

ashHow are they taken away? Using tow trucks and blow torches? So we look at two angles:

1. Means to prevent ATM from being dislodged (and sensors to detect attempts, such as vibration, heat and impact sensors).
2. As currently discussed in this thread, once dislodged, sensors to detect movement and ways to track.

Both instances will need to be reported to authorities.

Yes ! Perfect and to report such information to authorities either we need some GSM then there is chance to use jammer and stop this function.

Some short range RF and from that place it will communicate with GSM.

Harshad Italiya#-Link-Snipped-#, Are you all UP if we are planning to implement this project in real? How if we make one demo device which can be used with some modification after real testing?

I was thinking of using some Arduino or other customize board + Accelerometer Break Out Board + GPS/GSM Modem. How's this?

Let's make s blueprint on this project.
How we will setup all thing & using which components we'll be using to create the project.
But before that we need to systematically jot down somewhere how really the security system will work. We have scattered thoughts here, let's recollect it & finalise the working of project ?

I am basically aiming this project for my last year project 😀

Its a bit hard to collaborate in threads. Maybe you can find a good project collaboration site to organize thoughts.

Last time me and #-Link-Snipped-# used Google Sites for CE Bot, logged in with our CE mail IDs. You can check it out here.. maybe get some inspiration on how to organize the system components: #-Link-Snipped-#

Before beating around the bush can anyone of us look at the hacking side of it.
How the hell the THUG's or the robbers are allowed to do so,

Some pointers:
Camera's - First thing is to cut the camera wires, so that will stop video capturing.
Disconnect all chips - Next thing is to disconnect electricity that makes sure that all the chips / GSM / GPS are disabled.
Disable Alarms - I am sure they must be doing something to disable all kind of alarms.

My idea is these machines should have a feature of self destruction 😁
Seems Crazy CEAN?

They should imply some mechanism inside the ATM machines that if without security pins (which should be with government officials only), if someone tries to open / remove the ATM machine, After calculating the amount and sending a message to control room, machine should be self destructible.

This will certainly dishearten all type of ATM thefts

-CB

crazyboyMy idea is these machines should have a feature of self destruction 😁
Seems Crazy CEAN?


-CB

Self Destruction isn't an option, it's not a missile or something which would self destruct without causing harm to anybody.

While I liked the thought that as soon as the ATM moves, the door will be locked, and automatically Control Room will be called, that's a better Idea.

crazyboyCamera's - First thing is to cut the camera wires, so that will stop video capturing.

Camera is just to fool 'em. I don't need camera to catch thugs.

crazyboyDisconnect all chips - Next thing is to disconnect electricity that makes sure that all the chips / GSM / GPS are disabled.

Okay, this is noted!
Do you know anyway to cope this exploit ? Any idea ?

crazyboyDisable Alarms - I am sure they must be doing something to disable all kind of alarms.

Again, Alarms is just to fool around & make them freak out.
Automatic door shutdown & automated call is enough to freak them out.

Any more suggestions ?
If we're about to rob ATM, what we'll do if this type of security system is protecting the ATMs ?
I would love if some more CEans give their opinions on this.

thugs don't just steals the money from Automated Teller Machines but they just remove the entire machine from it's place & take to home.

there was an incident in Greater Noida where they stole SBI atm machine but they can't able to break it and next day police bring back that machine 😁.

No electric equipment / camera work which has interface with outside of ATM.
Every Indian lands on earth with pre-qualified Ph.D. in JUGAAD technology😘

My points,

• There should be a loud siren when machine trying to be tempered. (not very good idea but may come handy with fools)
• Fit ATM Machine in blockhole, no space side by side. (to prevent breaking of machine)
• Fit an autonomous GPS, sound recording (inside every ATM), and alert system to bank and police. (Would be nice use of latest Indian navigation satellite 😛 )

Sanyam KhuranaSelf Destruction isn't an option, it's not a missile or something which would self destruct without causing harm to anybody.

Why?

I didn't mean destruction means explosion. it can simply destroy the money inside the ATM, that's the whole motive of the theft right?

That's pretty much possible without harming anyone, right?
Think another way, if somebody is stealing the money, that's already gone from government / bank's pocket. Then why not destroy the money and dishearten thieves?

-CB

ianoopMy points,

• There should be a loud siren when machine trying to be tempered. (not very good idea but may come handy with fools)

This is my main point which we can use for security along with Abhishek's idea.
We will put one accelerometer + Hooter which is battery powered so it will work even after removing main supply.

Again, Alarms is just to fool around & make them freak out.
Automatic door shutdown & automated call is enough to freak them out.

Abhishek RawalLet's make s blueprint on this project.
How we will setup all thing & using which components we'll be using to create the project.
But before that we need to systematically jot down somewhere how really the security system will work. We have scattered thoughts here, let's recollect it & finalise the working of project ?

I am basically aiming this project for my last year project 😀

I am all ready to work on this project.

ashIts a bit hard to collaborate in threads. Maybe you can find a good project collaboration site to organize thoughts.

Last time me and #-Link-Snipped-# used Google Sites for CE Bot, logged in with our CE mail IDs. You can check it out here.. maybe get some inspiration on how to organize the system components: #-Link-Snipped-#

That's really great work by Varun.
We have two Options.

1. Let's create such page with CE email ID.
2. Start dedicated thread in CE-Lab section.

Harshad ItaliyaWe have two Options.

1. Let's create such page with CE email ID.
2. Start dedicated thread in CE-Lab section.

One more option :
I think we need to meet. And, no other time can be as great as Diwali vacation as in normal days it's very hard to spare time for travel.

Off topic :- But I found the best solution for ATM Security.