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@mifo • 04 Sep, 2013
Hello everyone, I need an 8051 trainer kit. Since I am almost done with the theory, I think it will be good to prepare projects.

So can you guys please suggest me a trustful site from where I can buy one through COD?
@Abhishek Rawal • 04 Sep, 2013 • 1 like You mean Programmer, right ?
If it's so then : https://robokits.co.in/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=261
https://www.embeddedmarket.com/Products/8051-Microcontroller/

8051 is so 90's,If I was you; I would've spend my dimes on Arduino rather than 8051.
@mifo • 04 Sep, 2013
Abhishek Rawal
You mean Programmer, right ?
If it's so then : https://robokits.co.in/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=261
https://www.embeddedmarket.com/Products/8051-Microcontroller/

8051 is so 90's,If I was you; I would've spend my dimes on Arduino rather than 8051.

Thanks for the reply, the sites you listed are good but it would have been more good If you can list the sites supporting payment through CASH ON DELIVERY.

And also why is it good to learn arduino, I think learning 8051 is good since it is an older one and a what a learner needs to learn is programming. So by learning a uc which supports basic instructions develops a good programming skill.

Please, do correct me if I am wrong.
@Abhishek Rawal • 04 Sep, 2013
mifo
I think learning 8051 is good since it is an older one and a what a learner needs to learn is programming. So by learning a uc which supports basic instructions develops a good programming skill.
That's a myth, you know.
You don't need to learn 8051 very deep just to know programming & how microcontroller works. Just clear the basics & start learning the microcontroller which are used currently.
@Harshad Italiya • 04 Sep, 2013
mifo
Hello everyone, I need an 8051 trainer kit. Since I am almost done with the theory, I think it will be good to prepare projects.

So can you guys please suggest me a trustful site from where I can buy one through COD?
I don't think you will get COD option for electronics kits.

I know one guy locally they used to sell such kit not sure if they have website but price may be cheapest for sure.
@mifo • 04 Sep, 2013
Abhishek Rawal
That's a myth, you know.
You don't need to learn 8051 very deep just to know programming & how microcontroller works. Just clear the basics & start learning the microcontroller which are used currently.
Ok, but I think learning ARM microcontrollers is good from industrial point of view.
@mifo • 04 Sep, 2013
Harshad Italiya
I don't think you will get COD option for electronics kits.

I know one guy locally they used to sell such kit not sure if they have website but price may be cheapest for sure.
So do you think online payment is reliable in case of electronic kits?
There is no saying that they will deliver the product safely.😕
@Abhishek Rawal • 04 Sep, 2013
mifo
Ok, but I think learning ARM microcontrollers is good from industrial point of view.
ARM microcontrollers ? 😨
@Abhishek Rawal • 04 Sep, 2013
mifo
So do you think online payment is reliable in case of electronic kits?
There is no saying that they will deliver the product safely.😕
The first link which I have mentioned (robokits) is located near to my house. I think they're trustful.
@mifo • 04 Sep, 2013
Abhishek Rawal
The first link which I have mentioned (robokits) is located near to my house. I think they're trustful.
Actually I live in Allahabad district of Uttar Pradesh, but still I will give it a try.

Thanks for all the help 👍
@mifo • 04 Sep, 2013
Abhishek Rawal
ARM microcontrollers ? 😨
Yes, they say that most of the projects are made on ARM microcontrollers in industries.
@Abhishek Rawal • 04 Sep, 2013
mifo
Yes, they say that most of the projects are made on ARM microcontrollers in industries.
What I mean is, it's neither microcontroller nor microprocessor. ARM is just a CPU Architecture, ARM Holding sells the architecture to other companies like Qualcomm, Nvidia, Samsung,etc. These companies takes ARM core & builds all the I/O peripherals (So, I would say it is microprocessor)

however, many small-scale industries use ARM cores to develop the microcontrollers & even microprocessors.

Inshort what I mean is, there is no such thing as ARM microcontroller or ARM microprocessor. It depends on how you use the ARM core.
@mifo • 05 Sep, 2013
Abhishek Rawal
What I mean is, it's neither microcontroller nor microprocessor. ARM is just a CPU Architecture, ARM Holding sells the architecture to other companies like Qualcomm, Nvidia, Samsung,etc. These companies takes ARM core & builds all the I/O peripherals (So, I would say it is microprocessor)

however, many small-scale industries use ARM cores to develop the microcontrollers & even microprocessors.

Inshort what I mean is, there is no such thing as ARM microcontroller or ARM microprocessor. It depends on how you use the ARM core.
Ok, thanks for the knowledge👍
@Ahsanul haque • 17 Sep, 2013 Sounds very interesting and helpful! Thanks for sharing MiFooooo
You can collect from Ebay, https://www.ebay.com/bhp/8051-microcontroller

Thanks
Eng Remon
@oprime • 17 Sep, 2013 • 1 like @mifo Don't buy a trainer kit. Buy an AT89S51/S52 and an USBAsp programmer. The USBAsp can be used to program the above mentioned microcontroller.
I would suggest you try simulating your program in Keil/Proteus rather than buying an 8051.
If you need to buy one, buy an Atmel Atmega 8/16/32 series IC (the atmega328/168 is used in the Arduino) and start practicing with it.
Or buy a dev board for an ARM based controller from www.ngxtech.com
@mifo • 19 Sep, 2013
Ahsanul haque
Sounds very interesting and helpful! Thanks for sharing MiFooooo
You can collect from Ebay, https://www.ebay.com/bhp/8051-microcontroller

Thanks
Eng Remon
  • 😨 It is not that I want a microcontroller chip, but instead I thought of buying an assembly so that I can quickly move on to the real thing.
  • And also I don't have posted any thing helpful, I have just stated my issue.
@mifo • 19 Sep, 2013
oprime
@mifo Don't buy a trainer kit. Buy an AT89S51/S52 and an USBAsp programmer. The USBAsp can be used to program the above mentioned microcontroller.
I would suggest you try simulating your program in Keil/Proteus rather than buying an 8051.
If you need to buy one, buy an Atmel Atmega 8/16/32 series IC (the atmega328/168 is used in the Arduino) and start practicing with it.
Or buy a dev board for an ARM based controller from www.ngxtech.com
First of all thanks for your concern👍 but I have some queries-

I have searched some Indian sites(like kits n spares) and I cannot find them providing your mentioned device, May be it is sold outside the country.😒

For software simulation, I would say that even they provide speed of developing programs and algorithms they wouldn't be helpful in tackling real life problems

Also are the features(architecture, instruction set) of atmel atmega
similar to 8051.

To sum up I don't get why u guys are so against 8051 because from what I have seen on the sites and especially 'mazidi' they say that about half the production of microcontrollers is on 8051 series. 😕
@oprime • 19 Sep, 2013
mifo
First of all thanks for your concern👍 but I have some queries-

I have searched some Indian sites(like kits n spares) and I cannot find them providing your mentioned device, May be it is sold outside the country.😒

For software simulation, I would say that even they provide speed of developing programs and algorithms they wouldn't be helpful in tackling real life problems

Also are the features(architecture, instruction set) of atmel atmega
similar to 8051.

To sum up I don't get why u guys are so against 8051 because from what I have seen on the sites and especially 'mazidi' they say that about half the production of microcontrollers is on 8051 series. 😕
Is Kits n Spares the only indian electronics related website you know of? 😲

It is the worst site for a hobbyist.
Visit ventor.co.in, onlinetps, entesla, embeddedmarket, probots, ngxtech, nex robotics, rhydolabz. These websites sell products at reasonable prices.
@oprime • 19 Sep, 2013 The architecture of Atmega series is quite different from the 8051.
8051 is very basic. Hence it is very useful for a beginner. Since there are very low number of peripherals and a great book like Mazidi, people are able to pick up the concepts quickly.

Newer controllers like Atmega or PIC have a lot of peripherals and lack good books. Hence beginners who are just starting out, get confused as to how the things work. Most people just copy the code and hope that it works.

That is why I suggest you use the simulator to learn about the internals of the controller (timer, interrupts). Then move over to Atmega and use their peripherals. Much more advanced timer and interrupt options are available there.

I hope you do realize that Mazidi wrote the book 5-7 years ago!

In newer designs, ARM cores are mostly being used rather than 8051. Old designs still use 8051's. ARM architecture is much more complex and you need to properly understand 8085, 8086 and 8051 before you start learning ARM. It becomes much easier then.
@mifo • 19 Sep, 2013
oprime
Is Kits n Spares the only indian electronics related website you know of? 😲

It is the worst site for a hobbyist.
Visit ventor.co.in, onlinetps, entesla, embeddedmarket, probots, ngxtech, nex robotics, rhydolabz. These websites sell products at reasonable prices.
I never said that I searched only kit n spares, I said 'some' including kns.😨

But thanks to you I now no sites better than what I know previously👍
@X_A • 28 Aug, 2015 This post is old. I'm posting just in case someone goes through these comments.
DON'T buy arduino if you want to learn microcontrollers and climb up the ladder in embedded domain. Arduino uses its own IDE which pretty much masks what actually goes on the board. It is for hobbyists not for serious people. You can't go anywhere up from there.
Further, ignore anyone who suggests you to not to buy 8051 by justifying with comments like 'it is very old.. not popular in industry.. this is not current tech' blah blah. 8051 is something that justifies old-is-gold saying. For a complete beginner, go for 8051. The finest subject material is available on 8051. Every peripheral seems like the bare-bones version. Your concepts of timers, clocking, UART etc. would clear up a lot and you will easily start appreciating other architectures out there.
From what I know - the ATMega, the PIC, the MSP430, the Stellaris, the LPC - these are all very good controllers BUT they should never be your first controller.
@X_A • 28 Aug, 2015 • 2 likes This post is old. I'm posting just in case someone goes through these comments.

DON'T buy arduino if you want to learn microcontrollers and climb up the ladder in embedded domain. Arduino uses its own IDE which pretty much masks what actually goes on the board. It is for hobbyists not for serious people. You can't go anywhere up from there.
Further, ignore anyone who suggests you to not to buy 8051 by justifying with comments like 'it is very old.. not popular in industry.. this is not current tech' blah blah. 8051 is something that justifies old-is-gold saying. For a beginner, go for 8051. The finest subject material is available on 8051. Every peripheral seems like the bare-bones version. Your concepts of timers, clocking, UART etc. would clear up a lot and you will easily start appreciating other architectures out there.
From what I know - the ATMega, the PIC, the MSP430, the Stellaris, the LPC - these are all very good controllers BUT they should never be your first controller.
@Vipul_electronicscomp • 03 Jan, 2016 you can buy from www.electronicscomp.com at lowest price with all features
@RRITESH • 04 Jan, 2016 Hello,
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