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  • I didn't knew, but just today CEan told me that in Tamilnadu, there is Anti-Hindi movement. 😲
    I am a patriotic guy, I firmly believe that each & every Indian should know to read,write & speak Hindi alongwith their mother language.
    Okay, language is the communication medium, but you just neglect national language as just another language. It has it's importance.

    Can you speak,write & read in Hindi ? What's your take CEans ?
    Do you believe that every Indian should know the national language ? If yes then why ?
    If No then why ?
    Give your opinions.
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  • Kaustubh Katdare

    Administrator • Jul 5, 2013

    Nope. Hindi is not India's National Language; just like Hockey is not India's national sport.
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  • Anoop Kumar

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    Too much irony to Advocate for HINDI in English language☕.

    My take is whatever you speak or do should not be anti-nation, that's all.
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  • Apurwa.Thakur

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    Kaustubh Katdare
    Nope. Hindi is not India's National Language; just like Hockey is not India's national sport.
    Who told you Hindi is not national language. 😡 For your kind information i must tell you that constitution recognize 14 languages when it was framed and Hindi is among them.take 10 rupees and find list of National languages languages there.

    During struggle for freedom Hindi was the language which made people come together, unite. So after independence it was decided that Hindi shall be the OFFICIAL LANGUAGE of India and hence we have it in our texts.
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  • Abhishek Rawal

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    Apurwa.Thakur
    Who told you Hindi is not national language. 😡 For your kind information i must tell you that constitution recognize 14 languages when it was framed and Hindi is among them.take 10 rupees and find list of National languages languages there.
    Don't get mad at him.
    He's just giving punch-lines with sarcasm.
    Read that sentence twice, you'll find humour in it.
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  • Apurwa.Thakur

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    Abhishek Rawal
    I didn't knew, but just today CEan told me that in Tamilnadu, there is Anti-Hindi movement. 😲
    I am a patriotic guy, I firmly believe that each & every Indian should know to read,write & speak Hindi alongwith their mother language.
    Okay, language is the communication medium, but you just neglect national language as just another language. It has it's importance.

    Can you speak,write & read in Hindi ? What's your take CEans ?
    Do you believe that every Indian should know the national language ? If yes then why ?
    If No then why ?
    Give your opinions.
    Every Indian should know Hindi.bcz i think Hindi is only language in which make us ease to communicate with others.its easy language than any other .of-course,i can speak ,read and write in Hindi.
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  • Apurwa.Thakur

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    Abhishek Rawal
    Don't get mad at him.
    He's just giving punch-lines with sarcasm.
    Read that sentence twice, you'll find humour in it.
    I felt like emotional when somebody talk about thing related to nation culture.
    😭
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  • Kaustubh Katdare

    Administrator • Jul 5, 2013

    There's no sarcasm. Maybe #-Link-Snipped-# and #-Link-Snipped-# should get the facts right before getting mad at me?

    Update: Court says: #-Link-Snipped-#
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  • Apurwa.Thakur

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    Kaustubh Katdare
    There's no sarcasm. Maybe #-Link-Snipped-# and #-Link-Snipped-# should get the facts right before getting mad at me?
    Prove then
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  • Abhishek Rawal

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    Kaustubh Katdare
    There's no sarcasm. Maybe #-Link-Snipped-# and #-Link-Snipped-# should get the facts right before getting mad at me?
    Would you like to feed us with your exclusive knowledge on that ?
    Because I am dumb, I follow only what our civics books taught us when I was kid.
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  • Kaustubh Katdare

    Administrator • Jul 5, 2013

    Posting again: #-Link-Snipped-#

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  • Harshad Italiya

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    Kaustubh Katdare
    Posting again: #-Link-Snipped-#

    #-Link-Snipped-#
    That's Gujarat High-court ! I would like to see if there is any comment on this topic by Supreme Court.
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  • Apurwa.Thakur

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    Abhishek Rawal
    Would you like to feed us with your exclusive knowledge on that ?
    Because I am dumb, I follow only what our civics books taught us when I was kid.
    ya sure but after two days bcz of my busy schedule of tomorrow .
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  • Apurwa.Thakur

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    I think this is controversial topic.i will research on it n the reply what is actually our national language.Till then dun remove this post.
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  • Anoop Kumar

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    Kaustubh Katdare
    There's no sarcasm. Maybe #-Link-Snipped-# and #-Link-Snipped-# should get the facts right before getting mad at me?

    Update: Court says: #-Link-Snipped-#
    I agree. Hindi is no where documented as National Language but no doubt it is understand by max number of people than any other language.
    There is quote by Ravindranath Tagore "Only Hindi can bind whole India". (Correct me if it was someone else but surely compeer to him)


    But i have although saw in some government offices that "Hindi should be encourages as primary language in government offices".
    It would be great if every Indian should speak a common language preferably Indian one, and that could be only Hindi. but if it not, that's ok.
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  • Jeffrey Arulraj

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    Personally I think every Indian who is anti- Hindi Must travel in the GOA TO HOWRAH TRAIN and they must work in that train atleast a week.

    That will make them realize that knowing the vernacular of the masses is always good. In India majority of North India speaks Hindi It is better to learn it There is no harm in it as well
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  • Anil Jain

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    No where in the constitutions it is written that Hindi is our national language. Hindi in devnagri script is deemed as the official language along with the supporting language as English as well.

    #-Link-Snipped-#
    In 2010, It was Gujarat high court initiated the fumes by specifically stating that Hindi is not the national language.

    Coming back to topic. Even though we do not have written proof of Hindi as national language, it is still the official language of India that is adopted as the better part of India and knowledge of language always helps.

    -CB
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  • Kaustubh Katdare

    Administrator • Jul 5, 2013

    I've never understood why do people make a big deal about 'one' language. India's existed as on for centuries before the politicians divided into 'states' on the basis of predominant language in that state. Europe exists without 'English' as 'one' so what's our problem?

    My opinion is very straightforward: Now that we've accepted 'states', people making a living in any state *MUST* speak the language of the state. If I'm making a living in Gujarat - I should learn to speak Gujarati. If I'm living and making a living here, I must learn Marathi and so on.

    'English' has been adopted as the 'official' language of India (thanks to 200 years of slavery). If the north India speaks Hindi - then that's okay; but it shouldn't be a binding on the people from central or South India. Let people speak their own language in their own region.

    But that would make it really difficult to do business between states. In that case, adopt a third language that is the root of all Indian languages - Sanskrit.
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  • Jeffrey Arulraj

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    Knowing a language is better and can be helpful

    But being bound by a language is not funny at all any time of the future
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  • Abhishek Rawal

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    We're not talking about Hindi as one & only language & sticking to it.
    I repeat, question is : Do you think every Indian should know the national language?
    There are so many languages in India that it's certainly not possible to communicate to eachother if everyone sticks to their mother-tongue.
    So, don't you guys think, every Indian must know to read/learn/write Hindi ?
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  • Anil Jain

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    If the question is,
    Abhishek Rawal
    I repeat, question is : Do you think every Indian should know the national language?
    Question is incorrect.

    As India Constitutes doesn't define any language as the NATIONAL language. It define Hindi in Devanagari script and English (supporting) as the official languages only.

    -CB
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  • Pensu

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    I agree with #-Link-Snipped-# here. Hindi is NOT the national language. There is no mention of national language in the constitution neither of the national sport. I was equally shocked with this and I don't know why the hell is this being taught to us. Morons are the people who are running our education system.😡

    Coming to the debate, yes there should be a universal language. I am a Rajasthani who has been to Tamil Nadu, West Bengal and now Karnataka. I know how hard is it to converse with people who dont understand the language you speak. And guess which language saves me everytime, it's English! People just understand a word or two of English and they automatically figure out what I am trying to say. Yes, the condition in Tamil Nadu is worse, may be because tamil is an original language, unlike bengali and hindi that forked from Sanskrit. Schools in tamil nadu don't even have hindi as a subject (At least a primary school that I visited, didn't.) Again, yes we MUST have a common language, we are a nation and a nation must have a national language and of-course the best option is Hindi. Except Tamil Nadu you will find a good amount of Hindi speaking people everywhere. But I guess our politicians like us divided based on languages rather than being united as a single voice!
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  • Abhishek Rawal

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    crazyboy
    If the question is,


    Question is incorrect.

    As India Constitutes doesn't define any language as the NATIONAL language. It define Hindi in Devanagari script and English (supporting) as the official languages only.

    -CB
    Let's keep national languages aside for a moment.

    My cousin studied in bangalore, & he told me that the conversation is not possible with local people if you don't know their native language.
    Don't you think, all Indians should know one language to communicate with eachother ?
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  • Jeffrey Arulraj

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    Abhishek Rawal
    Let's keep national languages aside for a moment.

    My cousin studied in bangalore, & he told me that the conversation is not possible with local people if you don't know their native language.
    Don't you think, all Indians should know one language to communicate with eachother ?
    Well that must be credited to great former chief ministers of TN

    Chuck all that aside like sanskrit tamil is one of the languages with heritage they wanted to preserve it and so they removed Hindi from curriculum

    Wow a greatest discovery protected for another millenium

    But seriously a very few tamil student know how to speak legit tamil all others use are own slang that makes Tamilan a difficult customer to deal with
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  • Anil Jain

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    Abhishek Rawal
    Don't you think, all Indians should know one language to communicate with eachother ?

    Yes I do think that should IDEALLY happen.
    But again then how will you justify that one language should be Hindi only (I am not biased, All my life I used Only Hindi as the language to communicate)? I am sure a person of Chennai has used Tamil for his entire life.

    May be a third language may be English can be taken as a common language to interact (and tag it as international language to cool down the fumes)?

    -CB
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  • Anoop Mathew

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    When in Rome, do as the romans do! When in India, do what the British did! It's been about 6 decades and we Indians are still divided over language and culture. Only a foreign language like English can solve this problem for real!
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  • lovebox

    Member • Jul 5, 2013

    While it may be an issue where emotions run high but facts are facts and let's get them right.
    • I agree to the fact that Hindi is not the national language of India. Just like the fact that there is no national sport or game of India; there is no national bird of India; there is no national animal of India.. etc, etc, etc.
    • (And to top it all there is no 'national' politician in India😉 )
    These misconceptions just spread because no one ever tried to stop them and no one really bothered to find out.

    Coming back to the part about languages:
    Hindi is the official language of India. The Constitution of India clearly mentions that all languages used in India will be treated as equals with no language being superior to the others. However, for official use it has listed Hindi as the primary official language and English as the auxiliary official language of the Government of India. Since India has a federal structure, so the respective state governments also have the right to communicate in their own official language (and thus came into being the 14 official languages of India).

    India as a democracy gives its citizens the right to express their own views freely, unless that view is detrimental to the harmony and integrity of the nation. So there is not much substance in arguing about which is superior, Hindi or Tamil or any other Indian language; is there?
    Anthropological evidence suggests that Dravidian languages (the category to which all our South Indian languages belong) were once widely in use in the Indian sub-continent and nearby regions. Then came the Aryans in to India and brought along some pre-Sanskrit form of language which flourished and gave rise to not just the present day Sanskrit but also the many derivatives such as Hindi, Bengali, Marathi, etc... and also Urdu (yes, Urdu originated in India itself), which are collectively categorized as the Indo-Aryan languages.
    Both these categories of languages (i.e. Indo-Aryan and Dravidian) have an immensely rich literary heritage, and have been greatly influenced by each other. Among these, some languages have been granted a special status as ‘Classical language in India’ by the Government of India. These languages are: Sanskrit, Hindi, Tamil, Kannada, Telugu and Malayalam.
    Language is all about understanding so where’s the harm in understanding more, learning more. Instead of dedicating one’s energy fighting over whose mother tongue is worthy of being titled the National language, we could so much use it for a better purpose and go learn a new language. It makes much more sense seeing a north Indian learning Tamil, and a south Indian learning Hindi, voluntarily, for the sole purpose of understanding each other better.
    If you may think this way: We all are engineers here. We have many things in common, one of them being the basic knowledge of at least a programming language like C/C++, irrespective of our specialisation. If we can put effort in to learning a computer language, then why not in to learning another human language? Research shows that knowing two or more languages enhances adaptability of a person in various challenging circumstances. Perhaps, one of the reasons why Indians are so adaptable is the fact that most of us have the knowledge of at least two languages. Why not upgrade our versatility by knowing some of our very own languages better? I agree that we cannot master so many languages but we can surely acquire a working knowledge of most. If people can learn French or German to flaunt it on their CVs then why not Indian languages? Think over it, are we ourselves respecting our languages? We don’t even speak in our mother-tongue without peppering it with English words.
    In my opinion, if there is a need for a common language, then English is fine for the time being. It has been in use for so long that we have developed our own characteristic way of using it. Now the world calls it Indian English. Good knowledge of English keeps us ahead of many other countries on many fronts, including employability.

    Oh yes, one more thing, at present there are 22 official languages in India, apart from English.


    So, let us focus on learning the language of compassion, the language of understanding, the language of love.
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  • lovebox

    Member • Jul 6, 2013

    Hey guys, I wish we could make a start here itself.
    Wouldn't it be nice if we could upload some resources on CE which could give the members an opportunity to learn the basics of our wonderful languages (apart from programming languages, that is).
    We have members across the length and breadth of the country. They could easily collect, compile and upload a few resources which could teach us all a great deal about our regional languages. For the beginning just the basics would do.. a couple of everyday phrases, the alphabet with a little explanation, etc.
    Perhaps the 'Miscellaneous' section in our Resources could be the starting place. Then we could request Biggie to place these resources under some category such as 'Personality development' or 'Soft Skills' maybe.
    What say guys?
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  • Sarathkumar Chandrasekaran

    Member • Jul 6, 2013

    I definitely dont agree to it.At present English is enough to coomunicate with others as most of our generation knows to write,read,speak english.
    In Tamil Nadu The Anti Hindi movement was started in 1937 when Mr.Rajagopalachari tried to implement Hindi as official language and Later withdrawn in 1940.It got to a worst situation 1965 when Government tried to make Hindi as mandatory in schools.But students protested against and the movement got success with loss of 70 people.

    Here is my question.
    If You belong to north India and you know Hindi.When government forces you to learn,write,speak in any other languages(like malayalam,tamil,telugu,or anything else) would you take it?

    Be Frank.
    Its the feeling of every individual.
    Just think of it.
    ( just for arguement 😀. ).
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  • lovebox

    Member • Jul 6, 2013

    CSK AUTO
    I definitely dont agree to it.At present English is enough to coomunicate with others as most of our generation knows to write,read,speak english.
    In Tamil Nadu The Anti Hindi movement was started in 1937 when Mr.Rajagopalachari tried to implement Hindi as official language and Later withdrawn in 1940.It got to a worst situation 1965 when Government tried to make Hindi as mandatory in schools.But students protested against and the movement got success with loss of 70 people.

    Here is my question.
    If You belong to north India and you know Hindi.When government forces you to learn,write,speak in any other languages(like malayalam,tamil,telugu,or anything else) would you take it?

    Be Frank.
    Its the feeling of every individual.
    Just think of it.
    ( just for arguement 😀. ).
    #-Link-Snipped-# - Thrusting something on anyone is against the spirit of freedom and democracy. This should not be done. That is why I mentioned that in our endeavour to understand our country and our people better, we must VOLUNTARILY try to gain the working knowledge of as many languages of our country as possible, and these can be as per our choice.
    I apologize if I was not able to put my views across with clarity.
    But on the other hand, while we have the right to promote and propagate our language, we also have a duty to check that we do not end up disrespecting anyone else's language in the process.
    In fact I consider myself lucky to be the citizen of a nation having such diversity of languages and dialects.
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  • aarthivg

    Member • Jul 6, 2013

    CSK AUTO
    I definitely dont agree to it.At present English is enough to coomunicate with others as most of our generation knows to write,read,speak english.

    I disagree with it. Only well educated people knows English, And this ratio is comparatively very less in India. Also, there are people who might have completed their degree in their mother tongue.

    CSK AUTO
    Here is my question.
    If You belong to north India and you know Hindi.When government forces you to learn,write,speak in any other languages(like malayalam,tamil,telugu,or anything else) would you take it?

    Be Frank.
    Its the feeling of every individual.
    Just think of it.
    ( just for arguement 😀. ).

    Hindi is widely spoken language. And there is no separate team of north India and south India in this language game. There is a fear, If we all, march towards one language, there might me a destroy of our regional language.

    Conqueror
    a very few tamil student know how to speak legit tamil all others use are own slang that makes Tamilan a difficult customer to deal with
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  • Ashraf HZ

    Member • Jul 6, 2013

    On a side note, Malaysian Indians primarily speak Tamil.

    I kind of like the idea of using Sanskrit as a unity language as Biggie said. What would be the challenges? Will different parts of India find this acceptable?
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  • Abhishek Rawal

    Member • Jul 6, 2013

    ash
    On a side note, Malaysian Indians primarily speak Tamil.

    I kind of like the idea of using Sanskrit as a unity language as Biggie said. What would be the challenges? Will different parts of India find this acceptable?
    Nope, It's kinda not possible you know.
    First of all, Sanskrit is not easy
    Secondly, India has diversity of religions from Hindu,muslim,sikh,Christians,Punjabi ,etc. etc. Hindus might accept with Sanskrit, other castes will never.
    Hindi is the only language which can bind India together, so I think no matter people find proofs & says Hindi is not national language; But Hindi is only language that's been known whole over India & it's the only language which every Indian should atleast learn to speak.
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  • silverscorpion

    Member • Jul 6, 2013

    Hmm.. What a topic to come back!!
    This is going to be a rant..

    First, as is already mentioned, Hindi is not our National language. In fact, no language is.

    Now, as for the requirement of a common language for India, we already have such a language and it's called English. Yes, not everyone knows English. But then not everyone knows Hindi too.. Former TamilNadu CM Annadurai had this to say about Hindi being used as the common language..

    A man had two dogs – a big one and a small one. He wanted his dogs to go in and out of the house freely without him having to keep the house door open all the time. So he built two “trap doors” – one big trap door for the big dog and one small for the small dog. Neighbours who saw these two doors laughed at him and called him an idiot. Why put a big door and a small door? All that was needed was the big door. Both the big and the small dog could use it! Indian government’s arguments for making Hindi the official or link language of India are as ridiculous as the need for a big door and a small door for the big dog and the small dog. Indian government agrees that English is needed for communication with the world, and every school in India teaches English after the fifth grade. Then the Indian government says that all of us should know Hindi also in order to communicate amongst ourselves within India. I ask, “Since every school in India teaches English, why can’t it be our link language? Why do Tamils have to study English for communication with the world and Hindi for communications within India? Do we need a big door for the big dog and a small door for the small dog? I say, let the small dog use the big door too!”


    Of course, currently, there is a substantial population that doesn't know neither Hindi nor English. But they manage because they don't need either of them just yet. Consider someone in TamilNadu or Andhra Pradesh who doesn't know both. As long as he remains where he is, he only needs his native tongue. If it happens that he should go to some other part of India for whatever reason, then it becomes his obligation to solve the language problem. How he solves it and whether he chooses english or hindi or some other language is entirely upto him.

    This is an entitlement mentality and assumes that Hindi is somehow better than other languages. It is not. As someone who doesn't know Hindi very well, it always irks me when someone asks "Why don't you know Hindi?" Because I don't need it yet, that's why..

    So finally, for the question "Should every Indian know Hindi?", my answer would be a firm NO..

    As an additional note, I would also quote,

    You live a new life for every new language you speak. If you know only one language, you live only once.


    I do like learning new languages, and when I have time I try to do it. I know some Hindi, just not quite fluent, and I don't mind learning it more thoroughly sometime in the future. But I want to do it of my own accord. I would like to learn a new language because I like it and I want to learn it, and not because I need it to communicate with my fellow countrymen.

    Sorry if I'm rude.
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  • aarthivg

    Member • Jul 6, 2013

    ash
    On a side note, Malaysian Indians primarily speak Tamil.
    Better, Let me get shifted to Malaysia😀.

    Abhishek Rawal
    But Hindi is only language that's been known whole over India & it's the only language which every Indian should atleast learn to speak.
    Not everyone knows Hindi.
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  • Anoop Kumar

    Member • Jul 7, 2013

    Let get straight logic:
    You will never learn an extra language unless you have to.
    India a democratic country (Don't get wrong, even with all sh|t we are still a democrats with N number of languages and culture),
    you can't force anyone to learn another language.

    Why everyone here knows English, because we have to.
    Unless you move to another state and have to conversation to local persons, you will never try to learn .
    I am in Hyderabad with Hindi as mother tongue , don't know Telugu.
    I want to but not really trying to learn because I can mange with English and Hindi here.
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  • Anil Jain

    Member • Jul 7, 2013

    silverscorpion
    Hmm.. What a topic to come back!!
    What a way to come back oldie CEan.
    Welcome back buddy and great views. I can not agree more on this.

    -CB
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  • lovebox

    Member • Jul 7, 2013

    Wow, everyone's making some really strong points here.
    I agree with #-Link-Snipped-# that English is not very common among the commons. We just need to move a bit out of the city limits and it becomes amply evident that English cannot be a contender there for the top spot among languages.
    So, let's take another step. Design a software for instant translation, similar to Google Translate, which focuses on Indian languages and dialects. Google has done a great job in providing a working translation instantly and even gives the users an option to improve upon the translation the software provides, if it is not found up to the mark. I believe such technologies can demolish the linguistic barriers in future. Link them to an improved speech recognition software and it can provide translation for speech too.
    What do other members have to say about this?
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  • Apurwa.Thakur

    Member • Jul 9, 2013

    Kaustubh Katdare
    Nope. Hindi is not India's National Language; just like Hockey is not India's national sport.
    #-Link-Snipped-# Katdare- Can you give me answer of two question?

    1.National language is what the majority of the country follows.Is it right?
    2.Then who have right to decide what should be the national language of country?
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  • Kaustubh Katdare

    Administrator • Jul 9, 2013

    Apurwa.Thakur
    #-Link-Snipped-# Katdare- Can you give me answer of two question?

    1.National language is what the majority of the country follows.Is it right?
    2.Then who have right to decide what should be the national language of country?

    1. No. National language is the one that represents the entire nation. In India, there are 700+ languages and we do not have 'one' national language. 'English' is the 'official' language of India; meaning all the official work would be released in English.

    It so happens that since the capital is in the northern region of India; most of the policy makers belong to northern India who speak Hindi. That's why most of the communication released is in Hindi or English.

    2. It's the central government which has the rights to decide any damn thing in India. But we're likely not to agree upon Hindi as a national language of India because there will always be a lot of opposition to Hindi. I'm not sure - but that's what the situation is at present. In fact, we don't need a national language. This country has existed for thousands of years without a 'national' language and can do so without any problem. Plus, even if any language is declared as National Language, it'd be improper to force people to learn it.
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  • Apurwa.Thakur

    Member • Jul 9, 2013

    Kaustubh Katdare
    1. No. National language is the one that represents the entire nation. In India, there are 700+ languages and we do not have 'one' national language. 'English' is the 'official' language of India; meaning all the official work would be released in English.

    It so happens that since the capital is in the northern region of India; most of the policy makers belong to northern India who speak Hindi. That's why most of the communication released is in Hindi or English.

    2. It's the central government which has the rights to decide any !@#$%^&* thing in India. But we're likely not to agree upon Hindi as a national language of India because there will always be a lot of opposition to Hindi. I'm not sure - but that's what the situation is at present. In fact, we don't need a national language. This country has existed for thousands of years without a 'national' language and can do so without any problem. Plus, even if any language is declared as National Language, it'd be improper to force people to learn it.

    I agree Hindi isn't national language according .but if you are talking about need ,then i must tell you if govt will remove such things which represent nation identity ,the also country will exist for more than next thousand of years.u know what i means.National language ,national bird,national flower,national animal represent country identity ,we have to do nothing with this.
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  • Abhishek Rawal

    Member • Jul 9, 2013

    Kaustubh Katdare
    In fact, we don't need a national language. This country has existed for thousands of years without a 'national' language and can do so without any problem.
    I agree that we have survived centuries without a 'national language.
    But, When an Indian civilian is talking with other civilian, one from south & other from North, they converse in 'English' rather than anyother Indian language.
    So, don't you think, every Indian should know atleast one language with which they can converse with eachother ? Why are we preferring English ?
    If an Indian is opting to learn English, then why can't he/she learn one common language of India?

    It's funny that Indian brothers are fighting with eachother for the languages (which are both Indian originated), while the language of foreign country i.e English is accepted everywhere & noone is pointing fingers on it.
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  • Pensu

    Member • Jul 9, 2013

    Oh, this is still going on! Look it's not about tamil, telgu or hindi. It's about identity. It's about bonding a nation. If tamil was spoken by masses, I am sure my stand would here be to make it the national language. But the thing here is I have to talk in English with my fellow countrymen and neither of us is fluent in it. So, why cant we teach a 'single' language to all the people in the country? Why are people arguing that let the people converse in whatever language they want to? This is one pathetic scenario where we lack the will to unite the nation. We are putting our interests first, someone doesnt want to learn new language so he doesnt want Hindi to become national language. Dont people in France talk in French, or people in Spain in spanish, then why people in India can't talk in Hindi? Of-course this is not easy, there are problems, but you can't ignore it just because it would be difficult to learn a new language. May be I am thinking too much here, but you guys sounds like politicians, being diplomatic when we need to have a firm stand!
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  • Abhishek Rawal

    Member • Jul 9, 2013

    No offense to anyone, but look at all the comments in this thread & notice the CEans liking the thread, you will find that South Indians are against hindi & west/north Indians are with hindi.
    I am not saying, South Indian should learn Hindi; All I want to say is, Hindi is most used language in India, Hindi represents the our country.So, Hindi should/must be known by every Indian.
    I, myself is gujrati; & I prefer Hindi over gujarati anyday, just because it represents my country.Then, why rest of people are having hard times in accepting Hindi ?

    A foreigner, when comes to India brings English-to-Hindi translation book & not English-to-Gujrati or English-to-Tamil translation book.
    I think, a single language binds people to eachother.Different languages differentiates eachother.

    A child born in x state with x mothertongue can learn & adopt English, but not the language which is most used in India,i.e Hindi. Fucking funny!
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  • aarthivg

    Member • Jul 9, 2013

    Abhishek Rawal
    I, myself is gujrati; & I prefer Hindi over gujarati anyday, just because it represents my country.Then, why rest of people are having hard times in accepting Hindi ?

    I think Hindi and gujarati does not have much difference(This was said by GF long back to me).

    Abhishek Rawal
    A child born in x state with x mothertongue can learn & adopt English, but not the language which is most used in India,i.e Hindi. Fucking funny!
    Most probably, The child's education is in English or x mother-tongue.
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  • Ashraf HZ

    Member • Jul 9, 2013

    Abhishek Rawal
    A foreigner, when comes to India brings English-to-Hindi translation book & not English-to-Gujrati or English-to-Tamil translation book.
    Actually, the foreigner does quite well communicating with the locals in English only.
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  • Kaustubh Katdare

    Administrator • Jul 9, 2013

    #-Link-Snipped-# : The languages that have several common words and many similarities are easy to adopt. I learned to speak Hindi more easily than English. Why? Because my mother tongue is Marathi - which makes it easier for me to learn Hindi. There are several common words. But think about Kannada or Tamil or Telugu native learning to speak Hindi? Why should they be enforced with Hindi?

    My proposal treats everyone equally : Make Sanskrit the lingua franka and open the doors of wisdom that have continued for ages. The change can happen in just 10 years!
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  • Apurwa.Thakur

    Member • Jul 9, 2013

    ash
    Actually, the foreigner does quite well communicating with the locals in English only.
    But local feel free to communicate in Hindi with foreigner.
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  • Apurwa.Thakur

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    Kaustubh Katdare
    #-Link-Snipped-# : The languages that have several common words and many similarities are easy to adopt. I learned to speak Hindi more easily than English. Why? Because my mother tongue is Marathi - which makes it easier for me to learn Hindi. There are several common words. But think about Kannada or Tamil or Telugu native learning to speak Hindi? Why should they be enforced with Hindi?

    My proposal treats everyone equally : Make Sanskrit the lingua franka and open the doors of wisdom that have continued for ages. The change can happen in just 10 years!
    I can easily speak that language which is my mother tongue or which i have studied in my school That is english (all books are in English ).
    Similar words are doesnt matter to me.
    South language ,Bengali ,orissa language are still tough to learn for me at this stage.
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  • Ashraf HZ

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    Kaustubh Katdare
    #-Link-Snipped-# : The languages that have several common words and many similarities are easy to adopt. I learned to speak Hindi more easily than English. Why? Because my mother tongue is Marathi - which makes it easier for me to learn Hindi. There are several common words. But think about Kannada or Tamil or Telugu native learning to speak Hindi? Why should they be enforced with Hindi?

    My proposal treats everyone equally : Make Sanskrit the lingua franka and open the doors of wisdom that have continued for ages. The change can happen in just 10 years!
    Ok, so the two major language families are Indo-Aryan (69%) and Dravidian (26%). Are there languages in India that are a more or less equal mix of the two?
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  • lal

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    ash
    Ok, so the two major language families are Indo-Aryan (69%) and Dravidian (26%). Are there languages in India that are a more or less equal mix of the two?
    English 😁
    No one has the advantage here!
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  • Anoop Mathew

    Member • Jul 9, 2013

    Looks like no one is willing to bring a conclusion to the original question:
    Do You Think That Every Indian Should Know Hindi?


    Verdict - Anyone?
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  • lovebox

    Member • Jul 10, 2013

    Kaustubh Katdare
    In that case, adopt a third language that is the root of all Indian languages - Sanskrit.
    Would just like to add a piece of information Biggie. Sanskrit is not just the root of most Indian languages, but also of some modern European languages as well.
    In fact, Sanskrit has also had a significant effect on Chinese dialects. But then, Sanskrit is quite difficult to master.

    Apurwa.Thakur
    National language is what the majority of the country follows. Is it right?

    Pensu
    Oh, this is still going on! Look it's not about tamil, telgu or hindi. It's about identity. It's about bonding a nation. If tamil was spoken by masses, I am sure my stand would here be to make it the national language. But the thing here is I have to talk in English with my fellow countrymen and neither of us is fluent in it. So, why cant we teach a 'single' language to all the people in the country? Why are people arguing that let the people converse in whatever language they want to? This is one pathetic scenario where we lack the will to unite the nation. We are putting our interests first, someone doesnt want to learn new language so he doesnt want Hindi to become national language. Dont people in France talk in French, or people in Spain in spanish, then why people in India can't talk in Hindi? Of-course this is not easy, there are problems, but you can't ignore it just because it would be difficult to learn a new language. May be I am thinking too much here, but you guys sounds like politicians, being diplomatic when we need to have a firm stand!
    #-Link-Snipped-# and #-Link-Snipped-# - I would like to answer a part of your questions with a few counter-questions. (Apologies for diverting a bit from the focal point).

    14% of the world's population speaks Mandarin Chinese making it the most widely used language by any single group of people as their mother-tongue. So, should Mandarin Chinese be made the International language instead of English? Should every person in the world know Mandarin Chinese as one of the languages? Should it be made compulsory in all schools throughout the world? Would that be the perfect solution?
    So, should we gear up to learn Mandarin Chinese right away? What do you say?

    Pensu
    Oh, this is still going on! Look it's not about tamil, telgu or hindi. It's about identity. It's about bonding a nation. If tamil was spoken by masses, I am sure my stand would here be to make it the national language. But the thing here is I have to talk in English with my fellow countrymen and neither of us is fluent in it. So, why cant we teach a 'single' language to all the people in the country? Why are people arguing that let the people converse in whatever language they want to? This is one pathetic scenario where we lack the will to unite the nation. We are putting our interests first, someone doesnt want to learn new language so he doesnt want Hindi to become national language. Dont people in France talk in French, or people in Spain in spanish, then why people in India can't talk in Hindi? Of-course this is not easy, there are problems, but you can't ignore it just because it would be difficult to learn a new language. May be I am thinking too much here, but you guys sounds like politicians, being diplomatic when we need to have a firm stand!

    #-Link-Snipped-# - Have a look at the following:
    • France: population = 65.43 million
    • Spain: population = 47.27 million
    • Entire Europe: population = 739.2 million; Number of official languages of the European Union = 24.
    • India : population = 1241 million; Number of official languages = 22 plus English.
    Given the magnitude of India's population, such a diversity of languages is justified. Also, we must notice that there is not any one common language in the entire Europe as well.

    Kaustubh Katdare
    The languages that have several common words and many similarities are easy to adopt. I learned to speak Hindi more easily than English. Why? Because my mother tongue is Marathi - which makes it easier for me to learn Hindi. There are several common words. But think about Kannada or Tamil or Telugu native learning to speak Hindi? Why should they be enforced with Hindi?

    My proposal treats everyone equally : Make Sanskrit the lingua franka and open the doors of wisdom that have continued for ages. The change can happen in just 10 years!
    Just adding a bit here Biggie. Actually, if we consider Kannada, Telugu or Malayalam, then more than 60% of the vocabulary of these languages of ours has commonalities with Sanskrit. The similarity percentage with Sanskrit is a bit low for the vocabulary of Tamil though.

    This debate seems to have polarised us in to North and South. What about the laterals - the East and the West? Why are we ignoring these regions?
    We have our North-Eastern states too. If a certain language is imposed as the National Language, it would ultimately gain more utility and may even threaten the language of North-Eastern states with extinction, as their users are fewer as compared to other languages of our country.
    As it is, these states have been ignored quite a lot. The difficult terrain of that region virtually cuts-off the states from the rest of the country. The people from those states are almost always mistaken as foreigners (either as Nepalese or as Chinese) in their own country. This is the single behaviour from their fellow countrymen that hurts them the most. Leave alone knowing about the languages of this region of our country, most of us would find it difficult to even recollect the names of all the North-East 'Indian' states along with their capital cities.

    I am sorry for my harsh words. They are just meant bring an issue in to focus, and not to offend anyone.
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  • Pensu

    Member • Jul 10, 2013

    #-Link-Snipped-#: Agreed. Whatever you have said above makes complete sense. Though I did say it won't be easy, didn't I? And why do you think we are polarised here between north and south? Because we dont speak common language and neither of us wants to learn another language. It is a barrier which is dividing us and you have to accept that. I dont want to say "Sorry anna, no kannada" when someone asks me for a address. And I don't want the answer "ille" when I am asking an important question to someone. Yes, we have a large population and having diversities is good but we need to stay unite and having a common language can play a big part in that. The only reason I am rooting for hindi is because most of the people know it. And the percentage here is not 14 or 24%, it might very well be in late 80s. Nobody is forcing anybody to forget their heritage. The languages have been there for thousand years and of-course they should be preserved. But dont you think it would be better if we can have a single common national language, so when I travel TN next time, I dont feel like a fucking alien?
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  • Apurwa.Thakur

    Member • Jul 10, 2013

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    lovebox
    Would just like to add a piece of information Biggie. Sanskrit is not just the root of most Indian languages, but also of some modern European languages as well.
    In fact, Sanskrit has also had a significant effect on Chinese dialects. But then, Sanskrit is quite difficult to master.




    #-Link-Snipped-# and #-Link-Snipped-# - I would like to answer a part of your questions with a few counter-questions. (Apologies for diverting a bit from the focal point).

    14% of the world's population speaks Mandarin Chinese making it the most widely used language by any single group of people as their mother-tongue. So, should Mandarin Chinese be made the International language instead of English? Should every person in the world know Mandarin Chinese as one of the languages? Should it be made compulsory in all schools throughout the world? Would that be the perfect solution?
    So, should we gear up to learn Mandarin Chinese right away? What do you say?
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    lovebox
    Would just like to add a piece of information Biggie. Sanskrit is not just the root of most Indian languages, but also of some modern European languages as well.
    In fact, Sanskrit has also had a significant effect on Chinese dialects. But then, Sanskrit is quite difficult to master.




    #-Link-Snipped-# and #-Link-Snipped-# - I would like to answer a part of your questions with a few counter-questions. (Apologies for diverting a bit from the focal point).

    14% of the world's population speaks Mandarin Chinese making it the most widely used language by any single group of people as their mother-tongue. So, should Mandarin Chinese be made the International language instead of English? Should every person in the world know Mandarin Chinese as one of the languages? Should it be made compulsory in all schools throughout the world? Would that be the perfect solution?
    So, should we gear up to learn Mandarin Chinese right away? What do you say?




    #-Link-Snipped-# - Have a look at the following:
    • France: population = 65.43 million
    • Spain: population = 47.27 million
    • Entire Europe: population = 739.2 million; Number of official languages of the European Union = 24.
    • India : population = 1241 million; Number of official languages = 22 plus English.
    Given the magnitude of India's population, such a diversity of languages is justified. Also, we must notice that there is not any one common language in the entire Europe as well.



    Just adding a bit here Biggie. Actually, if we consider Kannada, Telugu or Malayalam, then more than 60% of the vocabulary of these languages of ours has commonalities with Sanskrit. The similarity percentage with Sanskrit is a bit low for the vocabulary of Tamil though.

    This debate seems to have polarised us in to North and South. What about the laterals - the East and the West? Why are we ignoring these regions?
    We have our North-Eastern states too. If a certain language is imposed as the National Language, it would ultimately gain more utility and may even threaten the language of North-Eastern states with extinction, as their users are fewer as compared to other languages of our country.
    As it is, these states have been ignored quite a lot. The difficult terrain of that region virtually cuts-off the states from the rest of the country. The people from those states are almost always mistaken as foreigners (either as Nepalese or as Chinese) in their own country. This is the single behaviour from their fellow countrymen that hurts them the most. Leave alone knowing about the languages of this region of our country, most of us would find it difficult to even recollect the names of all the North-East 'Indian' states along with their capital cities.

    I am sorry for my harsh words. They are just meant bring an issue in to focus, and not to offend anyone.

    let suppose there is four group of family(country) in WORLD.1,2,3,4 ...and the 3rd group has more number of member than 1,2,4 group of family.1 group speak Bengali,2nd Tamil,3rd mandarin,4th Punjabi.but one language common in them that is English.then from above fact how can you say that mandarin should be international language bcz because it belong to group have largest member?


    We cant make language international or national on the basis of language spoken in particular place and which contribution is 14% in world just bcz china is 1st largest populated country.😲 It isnt uniformly distributed in world.
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  • lovebox

    Member • Jul 12, 2013

    Pensu
    And the percentage here is not 14 or 24%, it might very well be in late 80s.

    #-Link-Snipped-# - I could not understand the above properly. Please clarify.
    I presume you meant to say that Chinese speakers comprise 24% of the global population presently. If that is what you meant, then I agree with you. But what I had mentioned in my post was about Mandarin Chinese, which still has about 14% speakers among the total number of people in the world.
    Actually, Chinese implies a family of languages of which the Mandarin Chinese variety has the largest share of speakers.
    Correct me if I am wrong.


    Pensu
    ...but we need to stay unite and having a common language can play a big part in that. The only reason I am rooting for hindi is because most of the people know it...


    Its akin to saying that all of us should wear a common uniform, so that we all look alike. Would that bring unity?


    Pensu
    But dont you think it would be better if we can have a single common national language, so when I travel TN next time, I dont feel like a
    Pensu
    fucking alien?
    #-Link-Snipped-# - I am sure none of us harbour any ill-feelings towards one other when we are having a debate. Then why to use this sort of 'colourful language' to express your views? I would have understood your point even without the cuss-word. If you believe your views are correct then there's no need to over-emphasize them by using profanities.





    Apurwa.Thakur
    let suppose there is four group of family(country) in WORLD.1,2,3,4 ...and the 3rd group has more number of member than 1,2,4 group of family.1 group speak Bengali,2nd Tamil,3rd mandarin,4th Punjabi.but one language common in them that is English.then from above fact how can you say that mandarin should be international language bcz because it belong to group have largest member?
    Apurwa.Thakur
    We cant make language international or national on the basis of language spoken in particular place and which contribution is 14% in world just bcz china is 1st largest populated country.😲 It isnt uniformly distributed in world.
    #-Link-Snipped-# - What you are saying now suggests that you are now willing to take a new stand on this issue, departing from your previous views. Compare it to what you had said earlier:
    Apurwa.Thakur
    National language is what the majority of the country follows. Is it right?
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    • Just like when you say that Mandarin Chinese cannot be made the International language solely on the merit that it has the largest number of users (using it as their mother-tongue) in the world, similarly, Hindi cannot be the made the lingua franca of India on the simple basis that it is the language spoken by the largest number of citizens in India.
    • Also, just like Mandarin Chinese is not uniformly distributed throughout all regions of the world, similarly is the case of Hindi in India. Hindi has its various dialects spoken in various parts of a nation where dialects change with about every 10 km of distance covered.



    Guys,
    People learning each other's language is much more a question of willingness. Forcing them against their will can only increase friction between the regions.

    As time passes by, if people find Hindi (or, for that matter, any other language) utilitarian, then they will automatically adopt it for regular conversation. Where is the need to make it compulsory?

    Unity is a state of mind of the people. It does not have a physical form. The word ‘nation’ does not just indicate a landmass with a defined boundary on the face of the earth, rather, it more appropriately represents a group of people willing to stay together bearing faith in their common ideals.
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  • Apurwa.Thakur

    Member • Jul 12, 2013

    @#-Link-Snipped-#
    -On international context Mandarin is spoken by majority of people .but condition is that it is spoken by only one region China.is it?

    On national context Hindi is spoken by majority of people .but condition is that is is spoken by more than one region(states).

    There is nothing new stand in these two lines.what i want to elaborate before by example.
    you misunderstood .international and national language are two different issue and i explained in different way .you messed up this two.
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  • Pensu

    Member • Jul 14, 2013

    #-Link-Snipped-#: Dude, you are way too deep into it. Looks like you and I have quite different views when it comes to the word "unity" for the nation. Anyways, I can not be more clear in stating my mind. If you haven't got the idea after 57 posts, I don't think anything I say is gonna change your mind. So, I am out of here. And yeah, the "cuss-word" wasnt meant to offend you, it's just an expression! Cheers! Over and out!
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