Centrifuging hot air in a pipe, does it take more power than liquid

Fordy McFord · 2018-10-22T17:17:43+00:00

I am currently working on a prototype Gas telescope lens , One of the ways it works is by heating the pipe then spinning the pipe, my question is how easily will hot air be spun outwards inside the pipe, does it need to be spun more or less compared with the force needed to spin water outwardsWhen pipe is heated first ,then spun ,the hot air is spun outwards inside the pipe and then pumped out of pipe along walls causing cold air to be drawn in centre creating a lens, a descent section of pipe on each end is needed to separate ends of pipe from heat so cold air can be drawn in ?

Centrifuging hot air in a pipe, does it take more power than liquid

Fordy McFord
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I am currently working on a prototype Gas telescope lens , One of the ways it works is by heating the pipe then spinning the pipe, my question is how easily will hot air be spun outwards inside the pipe, does it need to be spun more or less compared with the force needed to spin water outwards
When pipe is heated first ,then spun ,the hot air is spun outwards inside the pipe and then pumped out of pipe along walls causing cold air to be drawn in centre creating a lens, a descent section of pipe on each end is needed to separate ends of pipe from heat so cold air can be drawn in ?

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Fordy McFord

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 22, 2018

My pipe is 1m x 50mm

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 22, 2018

What sort of rpm to centrifuge hot air

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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 23, 2018

That is not quite what happens. Air has poor thermal conductivity. The film of air in contact with the inner surface of the heated tube warms up. Hot air being lighter spills out of the edge of the tube. Cooler, denser air from outside enters the tube to replace the lost warm air. A centrifuge pushes denser components outward. Lighter components will actually migrate to the centre. That is what happens with centrifugal settling.
In an open tube the lighter hot air in contact with the hot inner surface gets squeezed out by the denser cooler air being pushed out to the surface from the axis area.Â
Higher the speed more will be the squeezing action. At this point the rate of heat transfer to the air gets into the picture. Since the heat transfer coefficient to a poor conductor like air is small, a limit to the spinning speed may be reached because the air film is not getting hot enough to be pushed out.
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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 23, 2018

Ok thanks, they did mention charging heat for different settings

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 23, 2018

Thinking of putting a sleeve on brackets around pipe to act as time delayed heat insulater to help me maintain temperature, im think of using a cheap bar heater and resetting it for this box, i will put the one bar heater element in the box horizontally across pipe at a distance with thermostat

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 23, 2018

Since I only need between 30-60 degrees Celsius I will put 1 electric motor on it once a found a cheap one

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Fordy McFord

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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 24, 2018

Nichrome heating tubes are available.
<a href="http://nickel-wire-mesh.en.hisupplier.com/product-1582566-Nichrome-60-15-Resistance-and-Heating-Tubing.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Nichrome 60/15 Resistance and Heating Tubing from China manufacturer - Heanjia Super-metals Co., Ltd.</a>
Cylindrical ceramic heaters are also possible:
<a href="https://www.dykast.com/products/ceramic-heating-elements/5068" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Ceramic Heating Elements | Dy-Kast</a>

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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 24, 2018

I maybe simplest to use a box around the tube to the required width with an inlet and outlet.There is a slew of temperature controlled hot air blowers (even a hair dryer would suffice) available. The tube can pass through circular holes in some fluoro-elastomer sheets (Fluoro-elastomers for low friction) to contain the hot air in the warm zone. The total outlet area can be higher than the inlet to minimise leak at the seal points.
While one can optimise power for the heater, it will be any way small and not worth the effort and cost of doing it.

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 27, 2018

Thankyou my friend, Will use these in my new one if tests work..
It has heating and spinning, it would look very high tech and professional

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 27, 2018

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Ramani Aswath

Member • Oct 27, 2018

Instead of a metal box one can use a PVC or acrylic pipe (available in many diameters at any hardware store) as the hot chamber. A bonus is that they are thermally insulating.
The tube in the picture looks more like 2 inch diameter.

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Fordy McFord

Member • Oct 29, 2018

Thanks, having issue with finding a simple small electric motor to spin this thing on a belt drive to start with.. Can you advise a link on eBay maybe
Stuck with this one for proof
Thanks

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