Zero Pollution !

[gohm]

Ha! ha! laugh

Yep, I got lightning fingers... except during certain bar chord changes!

Originally Posted by ash

Crap, gohm.. I typed up a long ass post offline a few days ago, and you basically summarized it

Anyway, the key is finding an efficient way to generate electricity. Thats it. Electricity itself is not a problem.

[psbabu]

hi friends.....i m new to this forum.....a brilliant (rather crazy) topic put forward by Mr.Einstien. As its sadi tht its a brain storming session, i have a crazy idea in my mind.
v have to study many things from nature . nature has answers 4 every questions.
here our problem is pollution and electricity or power is the cause for this. Y cant v think about animals. where r they gettin these power? power to run,power to hunt etc etc....if v r able to adopt there technology in power prodution,then our problem can b minimized ...(and only minimised...v cant reach a 0% pollution)

[ash]

Originally Posted by psbabu

hi friends.....i m new to this forum.....a brilliant (rather crazy) topic put forward by Mr.Einstien. As its sadi tht its a brain storming session, i have a crazy idea in my mind.
v have to study many things from nature . nature has answers 4 every questions.
here our problem is pollution and electricity or power is the cause for this. Y cant v think about animals. where r they gettin these power? power to run,power to hunt etc etc....if v r able to adopt there technology in power prodution,then our problem can b minimized ...(and only minimised...v cant reach a 0% pollution)

Bio-power? Hmm.. *rubs chin* We have a thread discussing about biofuels here.

Unless you are referring to using the animals themselves to do work

[just2rock]

No Human ..no pollution

[ash]

An update on Solar cells: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008...pv-silicon.php

Looks like we can look toward mass producing these stuff. Tis an ongoing quest to zero pollution

[M RISHABH JAIN]

YA HERE I M ............
I also want to know the answer of ur ques.
But i can tell u 1 thing i.e. here v never be make a environment having 0 pollution.......

[gnomic]

Where to begin?

Bikes are not 100 polution free - think cradle to cradle - you still have to smelt the ore unless you are buiding a bamboo bike (yes, some guy is doing it! Google it)

We don't need to "generate" electricity. We need to efficiently capture the energy that it out there - solar is one option. How about capturing other particles like neutrinos? Or finding a new way to power things that doesn't use electrons? (Not a free energy freak, just want yo to think out side the box).

What we really have is a problem storing and delivering energy. Oil and gas are nothing more than a high density chemical battery, and very inefficient when you consider what it takes to get it from the ground to your engine - and then we throw away most of it as pollution.

There is no reason we can't get solar up to ~50pct (that whole day/night thing makes it harder to do more unless we move the panels to orbit, and then you have to beam the power down, etc.). The problem is storing that energy in a lightweight concentrated form that you can use for cars.

And if you bug is pollution - why not figure out how to capture it and convert it to something more useful? It still has lots of energy left...

[raj87verma88]

Originally Posted by einstein89

hello mr x
so mr tell me how electricity is produced
i can suggest various ways ,
thermal power plant using coal
nuclear power plant using nuc fuel (huge pollution 100000 tonne nuc waste)
generator using petrol , diesel ,
burning waste
ya
hydro electric dont create pollution , also tidal , geo thermal , wind etc
but we dont use tidal , geo thermal and forget wind in cities

now tell me we mostly use the above plants
which create huge pollution!
tell me how will u run a compressor which is for public use ,
which will run 24 hr and consume power equivalent to 10 huge cities
for air compressed , for nitrogen comp
u need air at 4315 Kpa/m(square)
huge pressure
now tell me ur hydro electric single or say u build 10 dams ,(hope water scarcity doesnt exists)
can u run as many pumps (pumps for comp air vehicles) on hydroelectricity!
so think practically and then criticise!

so you think that by producing electricity pollution is caused. True, to some extent. Thermal power plants do cause pollution, but can you say that for the other power plants. And now tell me, without electricity the machines today will be running on steam engines or IC engines and that would have been 100 times more pollution than now. The Nuclear power plant is a very clean source of electricity and there are many ways to dump the waste effectively. The windmills, geothermal power plants, solar power plants etc why do you forget them. Various other improvements and research is being made to develop clean machines and increase the efficiency of the rest. You talk as if you are the only one who is thinking about this problem of pollution. You are telling others to think practically but are you? What have you done to reduce the pollution? Have you installed solar panels in you home to reduce the burden on the electricity provided by state? Are you doing water harvesting? Have you made your house eco friendly? Do you drive an electric vehicle or use public transport? And my last question to you HOW IS FUEL CELL GOING TO CAUSE POLLUTION?????

[desijays]

Okay. I have an awesome insight. Its too good, I feel like I have been enlightened......I was kidding abt the enlightment part. Maybe the awesome part too.

Think about the entire ordeal of producing electricity logically.

1)We need electricity so we use 'stuff' to make it.
2)Unfortunately the 'stuff' we use, creates pollution
3)If we had some means to feed that pollution back into that 'stuff', we are accomplishing 2 things. Electricity to use and less pollution to worry about.

Now real world scenario........

1)We need electricity, so we burn coal, diesel, gas to get that electricity.
2)Unfortunately, they produce pollution in the form of green house gases like CO2, water vapour......... etc.
3)If we can use CO2 or water vapour to produce that electricity then we get the electricity that we want and we can worry about a lot less pollution.

So the solution is to make electricity using the very pollution that is created in its production

Law states "Energy can neither be created or destroyed. Only transformed from one form to another" ->eqn 1

From eqn 1, if pollution is produced while creating electricity, then pollution is in itself is a form of energy. ->eqn 2

From eqn 2 and eqn 1, if pollution is itself a form of energy, then it can be converted to a form that we can use.

So, that I believe is the solution ... err....proof, or whatever.

So the bottom line is, if you can figure out a way to create electricity from green house gases and if that 'way' is economically feasible then you have solved one of the world's greatest problems of this century.

Amen!

[gohm]

very true and that is the tricky part! encouraging forms of energy creation that has a small negative environmental impact is key until then. solar, wind and hydro. Combustion process will be a distance "second place" unless a circluar connecting link can be found as you mention.