Are Microsoft Products really screwed up?

[xheavenlyx]

Should I jump in to lock this thread? lol

Well, I think it cannt be generalized. We all have something to complain about any OS, be it MS or LinuX.

My biggest prob with MS is that its Hardware is virtualized. I cannot access Ports easily without using a third party .dll file or going thru some hoops.

Point 2 is that its not customizable. Like one price for all the features I would not use, even if I dont need many many of the things (This is highly personal and depends on person to person, on what they need.) If I want 'some' limitd features, the price will not be reduced. But I think its very suitable for many applications that I normaly use after downloading or purchasing them on XP. (I presently don't like Vista*)

Thats it. I love using XP everyday and mom would love MS too but we cant blame people who dont want to mess with Kernels and complete customization (LinuX). Its their choice. However I think MS must be much more flexible in their pricing strategy.

And fellows remembers, YOU might think ONE is better than the OTHER. BUT others might not agree. Some even love CLI interfaced older IBM OS's! Its all about the need.

Bytheway, i am in the way (lazily) of writing an article on multi-booting HP laptops. Mine has Vista+XP+Ubuntu and its fun to run all of em for different purposes.

* Vista is like a Ferrari and I prefer a car JUST to commute, not showoff or look at. I care only for my work, and nothing more. My friend however loves vista and keeps telling me what he does etc...My only ans is. MATLAB does not work on vista yet so dont talk about it.

[no_atkt]

i am not saying that windows is better than linux ... all im objecting to is ridiculous statements like ... if windows wudnt have been ther we wud have had been more technically advanced or MS is scrouge and stuff like that

iv said in myprevious post ... for some linux solves their purpose better and for some windows ... its the end users choice ... no 1 can come and say this is better or that is better ... what u want linux does better ... be happy with it ... for me my windows does better ... im happy ... why do u want to prove that u are more technically smart coz u r using OSS and the other person is a fool and he has no clue about what he is talking ... rest if u dont like windows dont like ... i give a damn ... but statements like MS is a scrouge and should be banned ..... are the 1s admins and moderators should not allow

[The_Big_K]

I'd hate to comment, but can't resist.

The posts are owned by the original posters & therefore all the opinions are respected. It makes no sense to 'disallow' statements like the one in question, because that would be a ban on the freedom of speech. Only the comments that break the protocol would be removed.

No further explanations.

-The Big K-

[desijays]

Originally Posted by no_atkt

i am not saying that windows is better than linux ... all im objecting to is ridiculous statements like ... if windows wudnt have been ther we wud have had been more technically advanced or MS is scrouge and stuff like that

iv said in myprevious post ... for some linux solves their purpose better and for some windows ... its the end users choice ... no 1 can come and say this is better or that is better ... what u want linux does better ... be happy with it ... for me my windows does better ... im happy ... why do u want to prove that u are more technically smart coz u r using OSS and the other person is a fool and he has no clue about what he is talking ... rest if u dont like windows dont like ... i give a damn ... but statements like MS is a scrouge and should be banned ..... are the 1s admins and moderators should not allow

relax mate. i think you need to chill a bit. its not my intention to hurt your sentiment. None the less, think about it.

Ultimately, the truth is we are still niggling with the issues of petty operating systems..

bloody hell, there are far more important things in life like ............. beer.

i suggest we take a stub for ourselves and a pitcher to the rest of thread !!!!!!!!

CHEERS

but that doesn't mean i think differently of windows or that you should about linux. we all are entitled to our opinions as biggie said.

its just that we wont be sending any word missiles to each other. well, i won't

I dont want to make you my enemy when i haven't even given you the chance to be my friend. That would be unfair on my part.

i hope you think likewise.

I hope this thread wont need locking..

[xheavenlyx]

http://www.lafkon.net/tc/

Whatch the above video. Comment on it if you did. DONT comment on it if you have just seen the main page and not seen the vid.

[no_atkt]

Originally Posted by The_Big_K

It makes no sense to 'disallow' statements like the one in question, because that would be a ban on the freedom of speech.

a little contradictory to ur past actions i may say, if u lock a certain post that means u have dis-allowed a member to express his views on that topic which in other words is a direct ban on freedom of speech

@xheavenly:

nice video ... what does that have to do with MS's products being screwed up ...?

Originally Posted by againsttcpa.com

The TCPA was founded 1999 by Compaq, HP, IBM, Intel and Microsoft. But in the meantime around 200 companies joined them. You will find Adobe, AMD, Fujitsu-Siemens, Gateway, Motorola, Samsung, Toshiba and many other well known companies. IBM already sells first desktops and notebooks with integrated TPM.

every 1 is party to it and personally having read what the site has to offer i too have my reservations about it, but that doesnt mean MS's products are screwed up i fail to understand the rationale of the video having anything to do with MS alone

and the site also says it is at hardware first then at the software so forget MS, stop bying ur hardware ... dont buy from intel or amd ... lets see how u make a pc then ... dont say u will use 8086

Originally Posted by desijays

we all are entitled to our opinions as biggie said.

yes and we should not try to enforce our opinion on others

[desijays]

@atkt

its not about microsoft any more. this is much bigger than that.

@xheavenly

thanks for the eyeopener. after going through the video and the website, im still utterly devasted.

Trust me on this mate. This is gonna be one long war. Its gonna seperate the world. I thought it was just microsoft. Now we have to fight the other 169 too?

It is consoling to note that sony and google are not on that list.

Okie, for those who don't have the time to go through the video or the website, here is the gist...

-> TCPA or Trusted Computing Alliance is a congregation of 170 companies.

-> The TCPA is proposing the use of a hardware chip also called the Fritz chip to prevent people from using illegal software, movies, music and etc

-> The TCPA chip resides on your motherboard. Whenever a new application is installed or used, the fritz chip checks to see if it is TCPA conformant. (ie) if it is digitally signed by a 2048 bit encryption key governed by the TCPA authority in the united states

-> If a software maker tries to make software that is not TCPA conformant, then he/she is liable to a penalty of 5 years in prison with/without a 500000 $ fine. If the software maker breaks the law for the second time, he/she is liable to 10 years in prison.

-> Every software must be TCPA conformant if it is to be used in a TCPA conformant hardware. Even the OS. HP has apparently started on a TCPA conformant version of Linux.

-> Slowly other OS's will follow suit. They will refuse to install on a system that is TCPA non-conformant.

-> This will swiftly be followed by movies and music needing TCPA conformant hardware to view or listen.

-> The TCPA organisation want to install the fritz chip in every hardware...... including the

graphics cards - say bye to 100 Rs games
sound cards - say bye to copying music from your friends hard drive
display adaptors - even what can be seen by you will be controlled by the TCPA

and microsoft even wants to rig the keyboard with a fritz chip ( spying ).

-> what this means is that....... indirectly.... even though you own your computer, it is still being controlled by the TCPA.

-> The open source movement will not exist because its charter prevents it from writing software for closed source architecture. And as a result will remain non TCPA conformant. And since non TCPA conformant software cannot run on a TCPA conformant system... the open source movement will slowly die.

thats about it. This is what i understood. sorry if i've misunderstood anything. Correct me in that case.

But i still suggest it is better to go through the website and watch the video. i have omitted quite a lot.

if you understand the gravity of the situation and are scared... hmm... well..... you should be.

im sure there will be the naysayers saying someone will come along to crack this up just like all the times when companies came up with some new scheme to thwart piracy. I thought same. But Im afraid, this time, things have got a bit serious.

FACT : There is no computer in the world that can crack an encryption that is encrypted using a 2048 bit cyper. There is a method. Its called the brute force approach. The fastest computer on earth is mind bogglingly fast. But there are 2^2048 permutuations in a 2048 key. Do the math. You can crack such a key by 2030 if you start today using that mind bogglingly fast computer.

FACT : Fritz uses a 2048 key.

my personal opinion: Im not against companies wanting to be duely paid for their intelluctual property ( software, movies, music, games... etc ). that is their right.

But im against the fact that these companies have to lay siege on my rights to accomplish all that.

I hope no one's offended cos of me quoting this.....

The last line in "Afroman" (song) says,

"F**k the corporate world. Bee-atch".

Now i know why!!

Note: I read in the website that IBM has already started making desktops and laptops with the fritz chip in a deactivated state. so that when TCPA conformant software becomes available, they can run them without problems.

[no_atkt]

why is not about Microsoft anymore or u agree that MS porducts are not screwed up

computing is changing and becoming troublesome by the day ... damn

[desijays]

i said its not about microsoft anymore cos i think the TCPA is a bigger headache.

Where an aspirin might do to offset microsoft's headache, im afraid nothing short of an invasive brain operation will offset the TCPA. Even then, the results are debatable.

as for whether microsoft's products are screwed up or not.......

well, that won't matter if the TCPA gets going.

[xheavenlyx]

@no_atkt

The reason people attack M$ is precisely because of this fact. Related to TCPA NOW known as (TCG) Trusted_Computing_Group! including SONY! I still love the company products but heck its getting harder and harder making em open source like the PSP Home Brew etc.

A quote

The group has faced widescale opposition from the free software community on the grounds that the technology they're developing has a negative impact on the user's privacy and can create customer lock-in , especially if it's used to create DRM applications.

The link to the description is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing_Group

And its not that the hatred is towards the software (Windows) in general, but towards the policies involved to comply before we can use the product! If $20 stripped down plain Windows was available I would have loved it! And for others the $135 with everything, I would not mind.

And if Digital Rights Management (DRM) development keeps up, like Vista has done (I dont know till what extent) then simply think that 'in the future' you would not be able to play mp3's without the permission or buying them. No downloaded videos etc. And the best of all PRESENTLY you cant play HDTV movies unless you have a HDTV monitor or TV, and I dont mean not goo quality. BUT zero video, you absolutely cannot watch premium content without premium hardware! This is where TCG plays a role. Here from the horses mouth: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device...t_protect.mspx

To make head or tale of what Im talking about look at these elaborate articles, they are very very informative:

A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection ( HUGE ! ! )- http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html


Microsoft Vista creates DRM insanity - http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=25124


Microsoft Vista means you need new monitors -http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=25094

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Now for a Good News. Groups like Paradox and 'other cracker groups who i have forgotten' will always be there.

Like my dad says: "Where there's a lock there's always a way to 'open' it! "