Preventing Aircraft Hijacks

[Nickhouse]

Great idea,
1) They now seal off the cockpit
2)Lets go for Zyklon B as the gas of preference

[The_Big_K]

Originally Posted by Nickhouse

Great idea,
1) They now seal off the cockpit
2)Lets go for Zyklon B as the gas of preference

Zyklon B

This is what wikipedia says -

Zyklon B (IPA: [tsykloːn ˈbeː], also spelled Cyclon B) was the tradename of a cyanide-based insecticide notorious for its use by Nazi Germany to kill over one million people in the gas chambers of Auschwitz and Majdanek during the Holocaust.

...or you were just kidding?

-The Big K-

[aashima]

Can we have a Crazy Chemical Engineer to tell us the gas regarding the same?

[Romeos_person]

The obvious solution for the hijackers would be to sneak a gas mask onboard with them. If they were to somehow manage to do that, then the gas system would take care of the crew and other passengers, leaving the hijacker alone to work on breaking into the cockpit. The crew could have gas masks for an event like this, but again, how do you guarantee that the bad guys wouldn't take the masks from them?

Other than hoping airport security would stop them from bringing a gas mask on, are there other ways to overcome this? I like the general idea, but I see this as an obstacle to overcome.

There is still your question too, is there a gas safe enough to dose a plane full of people, from infants to the elderly? I'm civil not chemical, sorry no help there.

[The_Big_K]

Originally Posted by Romeos_person

The obvious solution for the hijackers would be to sneak a gas mask onboard with them. If they were to somehow manage to do that, then the gas system would take care of the crew and other passengers, leaving the hijacker alone to work on breaking into the cockpit. The crew could have gas masks for an event like this, but again, how do you guarantee that the bad guys wouldn't take the masks from them?

I'll answer that. Let us assume that the hijackers manage to sneak gas masks with them. Then they would need oxygen cylinders as well.

Anyways, the hijackers will have limited time before they run out of O2. The plan is to keep the things simple. Everyone, except the pilots, sleeps. The solution so far looks practical to me.

We badly need chemical engineers to enlighten us about any gas which would solve the purpose. Chemical Engineers! We need you!

-The Big K-

[desijays]

Originally Posted by rick

Hey I liked that idea.

I'm not sure if the gas you're thinking about really exists. Chemical engineers, comments please ?

if such a gas didn't exist, i wonder how doctors would have been performing operations all along. trust me. rest assured it exists. can't think of one right out of the box.

but there is something called the laughing gas that makes the person to laugh histerically instead of putting him/her to sleep. I think its chemical name is Nitrous Oxide.. correct me if i'm wrong..

Originally Posted by rick

Probably the device you are talking about costs big bucks. It might be uneconomical to fit every aircraft with such device. Can someone estimate cost of building such a device?

i don't think so. the cockpit doors are already the way that big k described in the first post. its just that its not fool proof yet.

And i don't think they would mind spending a few more dollars to make the planes that already cost millions this way... fool proof, i mean.

There were talks abt having Marshalls on commercial jets. I don' t know if that has happened though.

[The_Big_K]

Originally Posted by desijays

but there is something called the laughing gas that makes the person to laugh histerically instead of putting him/her to sleep. I think its chemical name is Nitrous Oxide.. correct me if i'm wrong..

Yep, N2O or Nitrous Oxide is called as laughing gas. But I don't think its a good idea to use it in our case

I'm not sure if the cockpit doors are sealed. The Discovery channel shows that the cabin crew can enter the cockpit . I agree that cost shouldn't be a problem when it comes to safety.

Let us hope that we, the Crazy Engineers, manufacture such system soon. At least, I'm now confident that the idea is practical & can be implemented.

Thoughts are welcome!

-The Big K-

[desijays]

Originally Posted by The_Big_K

Yep, N2O or Nitrous Oxide is called as laughing gas. But I don't think its a good idea to use it in our case

-The Big K-

just imagine a scenerio where the hijacker has a gun to the passenger's head and he/she laughs histerically..

but i think gaseous form of some anesthetic can be used, although it has the potential to function in a way that it wasn't meant to, if you know what i mean

[aashima]

Sorry to interrupt, but the arrangement we are thinking will work only once. I mean once a hijack is prevented by this idea, the scheme will easily be cracked out by the time next hijack occurs!

[The_Big_K]

Originally Posted by aashima

Sorry to interrupt, but the arrangement we are thinking will work only once. I mean once a hijack is preventing by this idea, the scheme will easily be cracked out by the time next hijack occurs!

Well, think like a hijacker. I think our system is not easy to crack. You cannot carry oxygen cylinders/mask inside the cabin, say what?

-The Big K-
p.s: This is my 1000th post ! Yoo Hoo!

[desijays]

Originally Posted by The_Big_K

Well, think like a hijacker. I think our system is not easy to crack. You cannot carry oxygen cylinders/mask inside the cabin, say what?

i second that. it makes sense. its hard to smuggle the gas masks in a stealthy fashion into the cabin. but the problem is that gas masks are so easy to make that you can make one using makeshift materials available inside the cabin.

a person who intends to hijack a plane, can carry inocuous looking materials that wouldn't raise any suspicion, but once inside the cabin, they can make the gas masks. even though they may not be perfect, they will serve the purpose for some time...

[frodo.rok]

the idea is amazing.....
but still there is a doubt ...as...CRAZY said
that if the terrorists r wearing masks then
this idea ..as i think.. will not be very helpfull.
-frodo.(i haven't read all the posts.)

[frodo.rok]

hey ..CEans..i think it is better not do
anything up there...this is risky.coz if terrorist
get the access to the cabin they will have more smooth
operation in case of using of proposed gas.
controlin this kind of situation frm. ground
wiil be better.
if u observe carefully the prob. faced by any country
in this kind of situation is that they cannot make
the plane land in there teritorry.
think abt. some mechanism frm. ground which can
make the plane land in the teritorry.
after that everything wiil be taken care of by commando
operation and diplomatic strategies.
i propose using a control system mechanism frm. ground
which can control a valve which can open the fuel
path reduce the fuel supply to the engine.
the terrorist will land the plane in this case as they have
some agenda or issues to be fulfiled.

[xheavenlyx]

Oh my god!!!

Thats soo true. Giving access to ground control in risky situations is an amazing idea!! Never thought of it myself. You know, you should look up on. Google or wiki it and keep us posted if it is implimented and how.

Taking away all the control away from the ground with special permitions and clearences to only some sectors, like defence or millitary can be more secure.

good one buddy!

[Karthik]

Hi ,
I Just joined today !! And Big_k, I don't think your idea will work out. May be in comics it will work (no offence meant). Here goes my justification..
First of all, even if the cock pit is gonna be made isolated, the hijacker is not going to pilot the plane (atleast in most cases). He's usually threatens to kill the passengers and get his work done.
Secondly, we can't use the gas as such. A dockie needs to study the patient in detail before he gives anasthesia to any one. They are not friendly.

So, I'd suggest you people to think about different idea...