CEdoot - Reincarnation of CE-im

[ash]

Originally Posted by mayurpathak

Hey good to see quick replies to this thread. Doot is a good name, till the beta version is rolled out. If there is a google, if there is a zattoo, there can be a doot too. Lets call it a "project Doot"

One or two things from me:
1. We need to have the classification of engineering branches and expertise on the query forum. For that we will have to add few fields in the personal information tab on the profile section. Right now no one is posting their expertise and years of experience in their profile. This will help in a way that suppose I have a doubt in some topic on pollutions, I could find the current online or most popular chemical or environmental engineer whom I can post a query. Alternatively, as prady had suggested, if I'm an expert in 'XYZ', I will get a scrolling marque of latest queries on my forum. I'm only highlighting Prady's point.

2. Lets not limit the search engine to CE. we can have a customized google search engine too.

3. The query forum can be open to public. People can see the queries, the number of experts, their nicknames but not the answers. Neither can they contact them directly, unless they register.

4. Some thing you all forgot is developing the invite members thread.

Gee... there are so many things to talk.

My friend, you are really insistent on that code name, eh? lol!

For point number 1, I'm not really too sure. Remember, we want to give everyone a chance to respond to a specific question, regardless of their discipline or years of experience. As long as the person posts in the correct sections, the "experts" of the field will be able to respond to it, and at the same time, others who are subscribed to the sections well be notified of the posting as well.

Thinking about the "quick query" feature:

Suppose someone does ask a question, and other CE member engages with a one-on-one conversation. This goes on for about 30 mins, and other CE member joins in. Will the third person be able to view the chat transcript history? Will it be dynamically updated as the convo continues? So far, if you join group conversations in Yahoo or IM, a new invitee would be unaware of what was discussed before.

Also, will there be a risk of duplicated roles with the quick query forum and the rest of the forums? Or do they coexist together (ie. threads that were discussed through the IM will have a label on it)?

[Prady]

Originally Posted by ash

Thinking about the "quick query" feature:

Suppose someone does ask a question, and other CE member engages with a one-on-one conversation. This goes on for about 30 mins, and other CE member joins in. Will the third person be able to view the chat transcript history? Will it be dynamically updated as the convo continues? So far, if you join group conversations in Yahoo or IM, a new invitee would be unaware of what was discussed before.

I think, the third person should be allowed to view the chat transcript. Let's list this under "good to have" features. I think we can do without this in the begining.

Originally Posted by ash

Also, will there be a risk of duplicated roles with the quick query forum and the rest of the forums? Or do they coexist together (ie. threads that were discussed through the IM will have a label on it)?

Things might be confusing for the members if they co-exist. We need to put some check for duplication. We can have these roles manually moderated in the begining till the time we have some automation in place.

Labelling is a good idea, even if we use it just for the sake of collecting some statistics rather than checking duplication.

[mayurpathak]

Originally Posted by ash

For point number 1, I'm not really too sure. Remember, we want to give everyone a chance to respond to a specific question, regardless of their discipline or years of experience. As long as the person posts in the correct sections, the "experts" of the field will be able to respond to it, and at the same time, others who are subscribed to the sections well be notified of the posting as well.

Yes I agree. But for some one to search the experts, how is he supposed to know whom to contact? And again, getting notifications via mail will not serve much purpose. Even now we get notifications. But the help doesn't come on a real time. Just posting the query on the correct section will not help. We will have to give the user a choice to send his query either as an off line message or as a mail to the experts of his choice. So for him to make a choice, we will need to have the details about expertise and experience. For ex. no body knows you can build a robot So if you put it in your profile, people will know whom to contact

[ash]

Originally Posted by mayurpathak

Yes I agree. But for some one to search the experts, how is he supposed to know whom to contact? And again, getting notifications via mail will not serve much purpose. Even now we get notifications. But the help doesn't come on a real time. Just posting the query on the correct section will not help. We will have to give the user a choice to send his query either as an off line message or as a mail to the experts of his choice. So for him to make a choice, we will need to have the details about expertise and experience. For ex. no body knows you can build a robot So if you put it in your profile, people will know whom to contact

Ah yes, thats an interesting point!

However, to involve interaction and participation, one should not search for the experts for help.. but the experts should search to help the one

Its more flexible that way too. Lets say one asks a question regarding robotics. This question should be like a "beacon", and any experts online will receive notice about it. Those members who choose to receive "robotics" questions will also be notified. So when the question pops up, the experts who are available and know how to answer the question with select it and enter the "chat" mode (either one-on-one or group mode). You'll end up with the asker, and interesting experts who are willing to answer the question.

The fact that we have thousands of members will make it quite hard for the asker to choose a specific few to ask. If I did put "Robotics" in my profile, and someone asks me about applications of Theory of Machines in robotics, I would be like.. "Sorry, can't help you. I only know how to use Microcontrollers and such. Please ask another expert. Perhaps Expert A?"

What problems to do you see here?
1. I was not able to help, and the asker would have to find others to ask.
2. I do not know EVERY robotic expert who is able to answer that query successfully. Expert A may know, or he may not. If not, the search goes on.
3. If there indeed was a "search" option for finding experts, what is the criteria to choose the expert(s)? Are we to segregate members by number of posts, number of years of experience, etc?
4. If I was offline, I might be busy with some work.. so I would not be able to respond to the question. The asker would feel ignored and frustrated, and will think I never help people *sniff*

If all the experts see the questions that are related to their interests, only they know themselves if they can help. I think instead of relying on profile information, we should leave it to CE Members to choose what types of disciplines and trades that interest them, and receive those prompts. Kind of like how things are now with the forums.

Okay, thats it for now. I hope I make sense

[mayurpathak]

Ah! now I understand your point. Probably we are putting the same point forward, but in different forms. I can visualize the IM in front of me and I'm just putting the points here, as in the functionalities that I can see.

Your point 3 and 4 are valid. Probably we need more brainstorming. Can we have a conference call for a discussion on one of the weekends? I can set up.

[just2rock]

[quote=raj87verma88;15231]@J2R: Its Prateek J2R.



so many to remeber...thanx

[ash]

Originally Posted by mayurpathak

Ah! now I understand your point. Probably we are putting the same point forward, but in different forms. I can visualize the IM in front of me and I'm just putting the points here, as in the functionalities that I can see.

Your point 3 and 4 are valid. Probably we need more brainstorming. Can we have a conference call for a discussion on one of the weekends? I can set up.

Haha, yea! Maybe you should do a rough design of the GUI on MS Paint or Inkscape (or just on paper). Thats a good way to see what functions are needed to do what, etc, without the need to know the technical details. Of course, some purists might disagree with that approach

How about we have an online conference this Saturday or the next? We can have a follow up meeting for all the points that have been discussed in the CE Meet.

Anywayz, we should probably list down objectives and milestones for this project soon. As Prady has mentioned, a case study of existing open source clients would be great for research!

[sauravgoswami]

Well CEdoot is a nice concept,afterreading it members of CE will regularly updated about the happenings in CE,watever I think we should allow push-mail services for CEans to be connected even on the move vis thier cell-phone!!!

[xheavenlyx]

22nd June to 24th June...4 days and so much discussion! It is going forward!

I am subscribing to this thread...no ideas for now though. Ash, Mayur had a good point on Query and 'Beacon' method..."just post your questions ... and someone will answer it."

We may need good filtering for it too, dont want 10 messages on ""hai please can you suggest a good seminar topic" to flood my IM.


===EDIT===

Updated CE Lab CE-IM page (main page for CE Labs: celab.tk) :

https://sites.google.com/a/crazyengi...projects/ce-im

Word to word copy...

Ash, is it possible to give prady access to edit it? by giving @crazyengineers.com (google) account?

====EDIT 2 Important===

As for publishing our own software like CE-IM or CE-something....we can use sourceforge OR Google Code.

I have made a test Google code page which you may/may not like...

The test page has:

1. Main Project page
2. Download section
3. A Wiki section
4. Issue tracking or bug tracking
5. Source Code display
6. Developers

A file is uploaded by me there. Download it for a surprise! It is a CE Installation package to distribute our programs, distributing on linux will be looked at later.
Has been tested on Vista and looking for results on other windows platforms

cecode - Google Code

Give feedback so we know what we really want.

[Prady]

CE-IM project page by Varun.

It looks great https://sites.google.com/a/crazyengi...projects/ce-im