Does pure random exist?

[xheavenlyx]

Dudeee Kinetic! you are confusing yourself and others! lol

Computers may be 100% predictable, According to my limited knowledge only the thoughts in our brain are the random thing.

He said its random. Then I lost it after that... Goes like this:

MaRo: Only the thoughts in our brain are the random thing.

Kin: So, you're saying that our brain isn't random? Well, we control out thoughts so it can't be random. (Ed: He said they were random)

M@r0: You can't predict what may happen in the next minute. (Ed: Hence Random)

K!n: But then you said our thoughts were random. (Ed: He did! Maybe you missread "can't" as can)

Oh man everything's spinning...randomly...oh god am I ... going...crazyy_Y

[KINETIC_JOULES]

I did miss read "can't" sorry, xhx!

[The_Big_K]

I really want to see some good ideas flowing into this discussion. Hello!

[ash]

If randomness does not exist, we'd know exactly want the other person is thinking. If so, there is no need to communicate with each other. If we know what is going to happen next, there is no need to test or discover things.

Engineers would then be unemployed, and life would end up being totally be monotonous and boring

[KINETIC_JOULES]

Originally Posted by ash

If randomness does not exist, we'd know exactly want the other person is thinking. If so, there is no need to communicate with each other. If we know what is going to happen next, there is no need to test or discover things.

Engineers would then be unemployed, and life would end up being totally be monotonous and boring

Wow. . . that took thinking. I do realize that now.

[The_Big_K]

Originally Posted by ash

If randomness does not exist, we'd know exactly want the other person is thinking. If so, there is no need to communicate with each other. If we know what is going to happen next, there is no need to test or discover things.

Engineers would then be unemployed, and life would end up being totally be monotonous and boring

Ash, I believe we'd be able to tell what other person is thinking - only if we could, somehow, translate those electric pulses in our brain. Just wait for few years and you'll have to think twice before you think .

I've been thinking on similar lines. Say, while playing chess, do you think your opponent's move is always random?

[mayurpathak]

Originally Posted by The_Big_K

I've been thinking on similar lines. Say, while playing chess, do you think your opponent's move is always random?

Yay! With some probability equations, I'm sure some one in future will plan the entire game. You make a move as per the plan. Every move will have, say, only 'x' possible replies. If you could some how interpolate these, you will already know what the other person's move will be. I think you could plan your next move on the basis of your conclusion. The randomness thus, will be eliminated. You would have already played the entire game in your mind.

I'm sure its possible.

[The_Big_K]

Originally Posted by mayurpathak

Yay! With some probability equations, I'm sure some one in future will plan the entire game. You make a move as per the plan. Every move will have, say, only 'x' possible replies. If you could some how interpolate these, you will already know what the other person's move will be. I think you could plan your next move on the basis of your conclusion. The randomness thus, will be eliminated. You would have already played the entire game in your mind.

I'm sure its possible.

Hmm. What I'm saying is, is it possible to define the next move out of 'x' possible moves? That's possible only if we had a crystal clear understanding of how we think under given circumstances.

[mayurpathak]

I'm not sure how we do it. But its not impossible too. Think of a goal keeper trying to save a penalty kick. Is it possible for him to guess which direction to go every time?

[MaRo]

@Mayur: that's right the random thing is human brain anything else depends on the brain output.

[ash]

Originally Posted by The_Big_K

Ash, I believe we'd be able to tell what other person is thinking - only if we could, somehow, translate those electric pulses in our brain. Just wait for few years and you'll have to think twice before you think .

I've been thinking on similar lines. Say, while playing chess, do you think your opponent's move is always random?

Ah, thats not what I meant biggie :P Of course we can always use MRI techniques and neuro implants (with MEMS) to measure brain signals.

I meant it on a more general level. If I know what you think already before you even think it, then I dont need to communicate with you. I don't need to put sensors in your brain even.

Humans would not need to communicate with each other if there was no randomness

[mayurpathak]

Originally Posted by ash

Ah, thats not what I meant biggie :P Of course we can always use MRI techniques and neuro implants (with MEMS) to measure brain signals.

This is the proof. Randomness exist in humans. But what about electronic gadgets? Some times my mobile or even my laptop goes in random mode... doesn't interpret simple signals